SCOTUS upholds Texas age-verification law for adult content.

Supreme Court upholds Texas age-verification law for adult content

The law requires age checks for sites with explicit content.
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Today, the Supreme Court has decided to upload Texas's age-verification law for porn sites. The decision is 6-3, with Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson dissenting.

Around a third of states in the U.S. have enacted such laws. They typically require sites with more than a third of explicit content to require viewers to submit some verification of age, such as a facial recognition scan or a government ID. In January, SCOTUS heard a case about the constitutionality of Texas's law in particular, Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton.

What did SCOTUS rule on age verification?

SCOTUS had to decide what standard to use to review the law: strict scrutiny (the most rigorous review) or rational basis (which is less strict).

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But the majority of justices decided that the Texas law is subject to intermediate scrutiny, which is in the middle. The opinion, delivered by Justice Clarence Thomas, states that the law "has only an incidental effect on protected speech, and is therefore subject to intermediate scrutiny."

The opinion goes on to state, "[A]dults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification. Any burden on adults is therefore incidental to regulating activity not protected by the First Amendment. This makes intermediate scrutiny the appropriate standard under the Court's precedents."

Writing the dissent, Justice Elena Kagan argues the opposite. "Texas's law defines speech by content and tells people entitled to view that speech that they must incur a cost to do so. That is, under our First Amendment law, a direct (not incidental) regulation of speech based on its content — which demands strict scrutiny."

Reactions to the SCOTUS age-verfication ruling

"My mind went to the nightmare of actually enforcing this law," said Ricci Levy, president and CEO of the sexual freedom nonprofit Woodhull Freedom Foundation. Levy asked who would determine which sites fall under this law — and suspected sites will err on the side of enacting age-verification rather than risk violating it.

Legal counsel for Woodhull, Lawrence G. Walters, asked, "How do you possibly determine whether a platform like Reddit has 33.3 percent material that is potentially obscene as to minors?" That itself, he said, is a difficult determination, "and the default will likely be additional censorship."

Adult industry attorney Corey D. Silverstein told Mashable that he agrees with the dissenting justices, and that based on past First Amendment cases, strict scrutiny should apply. 2004's Ashcroft v. ACLUalso about whether an act to prevent children from accessing online porn violated the First Amendment, is one such case. (In Ashcroft, the court ruled that it did.)

Silverstein said that if a law impedes a person's free speech rights, it is supposed to use the least restrictive means to achieve a compelling interest. That's what strict scrutiny is, he said.

"I don't understand how they got outside of strict scrutiny," he said. The intermediate scrutiny standard is rare, he continued, but it was also used to uphold the TikTok ban earlier this year. (President Trump has since delayed the TikTok ban more than once.)

Walters told Mashable the same. The majority opinion tries to justify the ruling by claiming the internet has changed and more people, including children, have ready access.

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"But this law is a content-based restriction on speech. It burdens adult access to speech, and that falls — or has fallen — squarely in the category that requires strict scrutiny," he said.

Now, this ruling opens the door for the government to be able to create other burdens on adults attempting to access various types of speech, Walters said.

The outward reason for these laws is to protect children. As Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (the Paxton in Paxton) posted on X, "This is a major victory for children, parents, and the ability of states to protect minors from the damaging effects of online pornography."

"Companies have no right to expose children to pornography and must institute reasonable age verification measures. I will continue to enforce the law against any organization that refuses to take the necessary steps to protect minors from explicit materials," he continued.

"They can sit here and people are blue in the face that this is about protecting children," Silverstein told Mashable, "but I'm not buying what they're selling."

"If that were, in fact, the case...when they [wrote] these statutes, they would have found a way to make it far less burdensome," he explained. (Also, in an early study out of NYU, results suggested that age verification doesn't work because minors can use VPNs to circumvent the age checks, or go on sites that aren't complying with the laws.)

Walters pointed to a brief filed by the International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children (ICMEC) last year, in opposition to the Texas law. Among other arguments, ICMEC stated that the law could harm children because it makes them more vulnerable to exploitation on foreign-held sites that aren't subject to the law, and that children can just use a VPN to access explicit material.

Silverstein, like other critics of age verification Mashable spoke to, is in favor of device-level filters instead.

Age verification, free speech, and Project 2025

Since before the 2024 election, free speech advocates and those in the adult industry feared what would happen if Project 2025 (the conservative policy blueprint for President Trump's second term) was set into motion. Project 2025 calls for an outright ban on pornography and the imprisonment of its creators. In January, Oklahoma Senator Dusty Deevers introduced a bill to do just that. Last month, Republicans introduced another bill that would effectively ban porn.

One of Project 2025's writers, Russell Vought (who now leads the Office of Management and Budget) was caught on secret recording last year calling age verification a "back door" to banning porn.

Today's decision will change the adult entertainment industry, Silverstein said. "Age verification in the United States is not going anywhere, and so that's going to be the new norm," he said, "and there are many people that will now not have the ability to view content that is constitutionally protected" if they don't want to submit their ID or other identifying information to a third-party.

The decision extends beyond explicit content, as well. Both Silverstein and Aaron Mackey, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's free speech and transparency litigation director, called SCOTUS's decision a blow to free speech rights. It will also, Mackey said, endanger people's online privacy.

"Today's decision in Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton is a direct blow to the free speech rights of adults," Mackey wrote in a statement emailed to Mashable. "This ruling allows states to enact onerous age-verification rules that will block adults from accessing lawful speech, curtail their ability to be anonymous, and jeopardize their data security and privacy. These are real and immense burdens on adults, and the Court was wrong to ignore them in upholding Texas' law."

Pornography has historically been the "canary in the coal mine" for free expression, Alison Boden, executive director of the adult industry trade organization, Free Speech Coalition, said in a statement shared on Bluesky.

"The government should not have the right to demand that we sacrifice our privacy and security to use the internet. This law has failed to keep minors away from sexual content yet continues to have a massive chilling effect on adults," Boden continued. "The outcome is disastrous for Texans and for anyone who cares about freedom of speech and privacy online."

UPDATE: Jun. 27, 2025, 4:00 p.m. EDT This article has been updated with expert commentary.

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Comments

  1. Maybe if a parent was a parent. And asked questions,/talk to their children. About that stuff. And how it’s not a game. Maybe this stuff wouldn’t be necessary. Heck if I was a parent, I would take them to a doctor.. and have them explain to my it’s not a game.

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  2. Proton VPN says: Thank you 😄

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  3. Talibanizing United States of America.

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  4. That's nonsense.. privacy invasion, I'll need to use your spare Alias names... I visit RedTube over 30 times per day..

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  5. PornHub CEO is a jewish rabbi

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  6. I mean… it seems to me like the surveillance apparatus should ‘already’ know the age of the user who has it in hand.
    Should be an ‘over 18’ button on the parental controls and then let humans be humans.

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  7. Teen suicide is a real thing in Texas:
    Keep in mind that "Explicit Stuff" like teens googling a website on gender dysphoria or transitioning to a different gender, etc., would also be prohibited.

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  8. Absolutely agree!!

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  9. SCOTUS rules 6-3 states can protect kids from porn by requiring age verification…“The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 Friday that age verification “porn ID” laws are an appropriate way to regulate content for minors without infringing on the First Amendment rights of adults. “

    Therefore: one could see that moving obscene sexually explicit books to parental
    Permission only books would be constitutional too.

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    1. I know this isn't perfect in a perfect world no porn would be allowed anywhere! We still need to be thankful that the rulings were a win just imagine if the ruling had gone the other way!

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    2. No child or adult should see porn it should be obilerated

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  10. "The statute advances the State’s important interest in shielding children from sexually explicit content,” conservative Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in the majority opinion."

    Funny how that doesn't seem to apply to drag shows or pride parades.

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  11. Conservative here.

    This is a dumb law. I'm 100% on board with stopping kids from getting to porn, but not at the expense of expanding government control, not to mention that this law won't do a damn thing. Kids will just use VPNs or TOR. It's very easy to do and if you don't think a motivated kid will figure it out, you probably aren't a parent.

    The only thing we've done here is given the government some power over how to control websites when the alternative, while more difficult, was PARENT. YOUR. CHILDREN. Instead, we're going to be giving the government control over something so it's easier for us.

    It's the age-old story. Less freedom for more safety. Less privacy for more convenience.

    Bonus: We've now opened the door to the possibility of VPNs getting outlawed. Can't have kids circumventing the now-establish age-gate laws!

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    1. "Kids will just use VPNs or TOR. It's very easy to do and if you don't think a motivated kid will figure it out, you probably aren't a parent."

      This point was lampooned on (a now banned and "disappeared" episode - "Heroes" I think? of) Beavis and Butthead from the '80's. The guys walk into a gun shop to buy a rifle and the conversation goes something like this:

      Gunshop owner: "Are you boys 18?"

      Beavis and Butthead: "Uh...heh heh, uh No."

      Gunshop owner: "Let me ask you again, are you boys 18?"

      Beavis and Butthead: Uh, yeah.

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  12. Sounds reasonable…

    "But opponents argue that such laws are so broad and could be used to censor everything from actual pornography to books with depictions of LGBTQ+ people, all under the guise of protecting children."

    I don’t trust Texas to not immediately start doing this.

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    1. Causes a giant blackmail/extortion problem if it ever gets leaked too.

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    2. They’ve clearly indicated by recent moves and tone that they want drag and by association LGBTQ media to be labeled as porn even when the subject matter is not in itself salacious. This is a step toward further demonizing LGBTQ folks, making their lifestyles illegal, and/or pushing to have them labeled as being mentally unwell to further rob them of rights like the second amendment.

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    3. That's the plan according to Project 2025. The end goal being to declare LGBTQ+ people pornographic and a danger to children so they can legally disappear them. That's why they're building "Alligator Alcatraz" in Florida right now, gotta have somewhere to send "the others". No, really. Go read P2025. These people are fucking nuts.

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    4. At least Texas can’t actually make laws about this until 2027 because of how their legislature works. But next year will be the real test of how far other states will take this.

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  13. Sorry to break it to our wise elders, but it's truly insane that you think this would stop a single kid from looking at porn.

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    1. That was never the intent. Because the only way to stop kids from seeing porn is the same today as it’s always been (if a bit more difficult): supervision.

      These bills are more about chilling access to porn by adults, because not everyone wants their real info attached to their porn viewing.

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    2. And even if they are fine with it, now you have that over your head forever

      It's a lose lose

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    3. Yeah the Ashley Madison leak was an eye opener. Like even if you signed up out of morbid curiosity, never intending to “use” the site and just wanting to see what nonsense was behind the login wall…now your name may be associated with that forever. Publicly. Searchably.

      Same way I signed up for Stormfront once. Not because I’m a neo-Nazi, but because I wanted to know what was going on behind their (semi) closed doors. But imagine having your real, ID-verified info associated with that, and then they have a data breach…

      …and then having to explain that to people for the rest of your life.

      So yeah, you tell me I gotta ID.me into PornHub? Yeah, no.

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    4. You were going to have to set up a fake identity to get around having RFKjrs health tracking wearables follow you everywhere anyway. Just use that one.

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    5. this is exactly what they want. the ability to track every citizen, couple of days ago rfk was talking about all americans having to wear health trackers.

      For all the screaming republicans make about freedoms they love to restrict others freedoms.

      everything done now will backfire so bad down the road.

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    6. i’ll wear a T shirt that says “i watch transporn” and i live in the south

      come get me

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    7. I also live in the South. Seeing someone in such a shirt would absolutely make my day.

      I hate it here.

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    8. i assume it’s also to use as a weapon to lock or fine people. oh you broke the law looking at porn unverified straight to deportation!

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    9. I’ve been downloading pornography from the tubes since SCOTUS agreed to hear the case. This was a foregone conclusion.

      Expect many of the legal porn sites to close. The goal is to eliminate pornography entirely, not just to eliminate access for children. They made it almost impossible to run a legal abortion clinic in Texas before rescinding Roe v Wade, they will make these identification requirements challenging as well.

      And yes, those sites that do remain will have few users. Those of us who are gen x or older and queer know better than to let a conservative know anything about our sexual orientations.

      If you like to rub one out now and then and don’t have backups of videos saved locally, visit your local adult book store and buy a movie. They won’t put you on a list, it supports a local business, and maybe you can get a little treat like a lotion or a toy while you are there.

      I’m so sorry to all of the young ones who are learning what the 80s and 90s were really like. :(

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    10. And only the reputable sites even comply with those laws, so the kids can just go to the shadier ones without even needing a workaround.

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    11. welcome back to the age of the wild wild west of viruses

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    12. They're gonna find even if they go back the old National Geographic route.

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    13. They know it’s not going to stop kids. These bills at about control. It starts with porn…

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    14. Never underestimate a horny teen.

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    15. A teen with hormones is just going to VPN and then access porn. Or at least in this state, just avoid using OF and PH. It's amazing how they passed that similar law here, but so many sites are not blocked at all.

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    16. I’m sure Reddit doesn’t have to verify age for this, and it’s full of porn.

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    17. "I’m sure Reddit doesn’t have to verify age". not yet this is the next thing they will go after.

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    18. Big Magazine must be behind this

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  14. I will give my opinion from my point of view as a man, a Christian and a lucid, open-minded person.

    There is a phrase that says: "For evil to triumph, it is enough for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

    Everyone will interpret this phrase according to their own understanding. What I am trying to say is that good people are constantly trying to put laws like these on the agenda to protect young people, children who are not over 18 years old.

    But there is a lot at stake, a lot of money, a lot of betting, greed in this environment, the destruction of families. As I mentioned in Edmund Burke's phrase, evil will only reign if good people do nothing. As long as there are people fighting for it, there is still hope. The internet is taken over by this cancer, but everything will pass. This is just an illusion.

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  15. LGBT and everything else the religious nuts don’t like will now be classified as “porn” and require age verification.

    This will be taken to extreme lengths. Streaming services may soon need to verify age in order to allow a movie to be streamed if it has nudity in it.

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    1. Next step is for it to show up on background checks for employment

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  16. The rule is dumb. Not sure how easily it can be subverted in Texas but in Virginia the governor passed a similar law a few years ago, but it only affects Pornhub and OnlyFans. Every other site works.

    They try to pass these laws under the guise of helping protect our children, but "our children" know how to VPN at this point. You aren't going to stop a horny teen from accessing adult material. And even if you did want to protect them, do you really trust a sleazy site with your driver's license upload? And that's assuming your picture of your license even uploads into the system correctly without an error.

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    1. Should affect twitter.

      It’s the biggest contributor to porn and cp even

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    2. I barely get any exposure to porn off twitter. My views may vary though.

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    3. "but "our children" know how to VPN at this point."

      They also know how to go to Reddit or X or any other type.

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    4. Yeah. I'm surprised how much porn is on (or was on Reddit) back in the day. There are sole reddits dedicated to amateurs just taking their top off.

      I don't use reddit as much for porn as I used to several years ago

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    5. They’ve gotten rid of the nastiest stuff like r/deadeyes (https://www.reddit.com/r/deadeyes) so they can be a respectable public company, but there’s still plenty of vanilla stuff.

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  17. The Free Speech Coalition took this up knowing that this is something that can and likely will be used to shut down content beyond porn. And the Supreme Court just gave those states the road map and the path. People who back this are backing what is going to become an aggressive encroachment on online content in the name of "protecting children".

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  18. I'd be OK with this, but we all know that the "conservatives" will now just define any content that they don't agree with as "pornographic".

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    1. For example: trans people.

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    2. And they're the authorities on what is porn - they're the chief users.

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  19. So they'll use a VPN. If you want to fight the point industry you focus on education, humanizing the workers & questioning cultural taboos. Sunshine takes the thrill away. Such a waste of time.

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  20. The reason that you know this law was made in bad faith is that Texas has yet to sue X/Twitter for failing to apply age verification. That sight is like 1/4 porn.

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    1. Well as far as im aware the site has to be one third porn to trigger the age verification requirement so theres that. The law was still made in bad faith either way

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  21. There are people who are doing their part and not letting this cancer spread any further than it already has.

    It is impossible to remove this crap from the internet because there is too much at stake, but laws like this and others exist and are helping a little.

    If we were to get to the bottom of this, we would have to go through almost every platform on the internet. It is everywhere, on WhatsApp, Telegram, Reddit, X (Twitter), Instagram, on the websites' own domains. There are people who buy URLs and domains of websites just to promote this garbage. In other words, it is everywhere. It has already taken over the roots. We would have to remove the entire tree, along with the roots, if we want to get rid of this cancer.

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  22. "women's dresses may not be more than 2 inches above their feet" because it is "indecent" coming soon!

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  23. Time for conservatives to take this and frame it as if democrats are against porn being restricted kids under 18.

    Party of “small government” for databases of citizens, by the way.

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    1. Not to mention. Pornography has now been made illegal, at some point in the near future, and ex post facto laws now no longer apply because that's the way this supreme court rolls. There are now 100% lists of people who go to adult websites and specifically do so to browse adult content.

      That's something that can happen.

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    2. Yeah, it's frustrating how clear it is that laws like this are mostly if not entirely interested in chilling the behavior of adults. But since you cannot prove dishonest intent, they get to sit smugly behind the well-known "it's for the children" line that has basically never been true when it comes to moral panics.

      Meanwhile, no child that is old enough to operate a computer is even going to be phazed by this law. And the authors know it. And the judges and justices know it.

      The smug obfuscation that comes with so many of these right-wing laws and court opinions is really annoying.

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    3. "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

      -Jean-Paul Sartre

      This applies to fascists and authoritarians in general.

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  24. Hey MAGA Meatheads!!

    LOL. Millions of you Trump voters are about to lose your heathcare.

    It would be the first time Republikans have moved to eliminate coverage for millions of people.

    --You fucken’ Meatheads are gettin’ exactly what you voted for.

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  25. Time to invest in VPN stocks!

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  26. What does this mean for Reddit? Tons of porn on this site. And if it bans it, it would lose significant traffic. If it complies with the law, anonymity on this site ends.

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  27. Ted Cruz in shambles.

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  28. So instead of making Texas schools safe from mass murderers, the state legislature is concerned about what is on the internet. The internet is not what slaughtered those kids in Uvalde.

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  29. Would of been lots easier if when the internet became a thing that all porn had to be under .xxx , then parents would of been able to manage what sites their kids could visit.

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    1. Define porn though. Who gets to decide if content violates the rules and thus the site must register under .xxx?

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    2. Base it on what the definition is for print and sort out the imagery that's artistic.

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    3. So what’s this definition for print?

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    4. From the legal dictionary: pornography n. pictures and/or writings of sexual activity intended solely to excite lascivious feelings of a particularly blatant and aberrational kind, such as acts involving children, animals, orgies, and all types of sexual intercourse. The printing, publication, sale and distribution of "hard core" pornography is either a felony or misdemeanor in most states. Since determining what is pornography and what is "soft core" and "hard core" are subjective questions to judges, juries and law enforcement officials, it is difficult to define, since the law cases cannot print examples for the courts to follow.

      https://web.uncg.edu/dcl/courses/viceCrime/m4/part2.asp

      That explains it pretty well. I understand that it's a quagmire since the beginning of time. I believe basic rules could of been logically done to help with the exposure of porn to kids that's all.

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    5. That doesn't really define anything though, and is still wildly subjective. One person might consider someone obscene or sexually gratifying that another takes as mundane.

      Hence peoples fears over such laws. It's always been more or less defined as "you know if when you see it" which is wildly subjective.

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    6. Look if it's under wraps at a 7/11, in the adult section of a video store or in an adult store then it can be called pornography. Why is it those things can be classified or defined as porn and all these websites offering the same thing essentially and more aren't. I mean if it's for adult consumption then make the domain ending . adult - it never became kid safe not because of the definition problem but because of how powerful the porn industry is now. Bottom line children shouldn't be exposed to it.

      If you are referring to ultra extra sensitive religious people that believe that just letting kids know you can have two dads or mums is pornographic - then Hell No - This is the real world and it needs to be taught that there is a rainbow of scenarios.

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    7. The problem is again, who defines porn. Conservatives love to brand LBGTQ content as obscene for example, regardless of it's context. SCOTUS this very day said parents must be able to opt out of it.

      "Think of the children!" doesn't fly when you are talking about subjective content. What exactly makes someone porn? Is it nudity? Sex? Sexualization? Where is that line between art, science, porn drawn? Who gets to make that decision, and whats to stop abuse by that person?

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    8. Look you asked for the legal written definition of porn - I gave it. I gave you context and examples. So in my honest answer - general society decides. I'm sticking to my believe that pornographic exposure is bad for kids though.

      From UNICEF: Pornographic content can harm children. Exposure to pornography at a young age may lead to poor mental health, sexism and objectification, sexual violence, and other negative outcomes. Among other risks, when children view pornography that portrays abusive and misogynistic acts, they may come to view such behaviour as normal and acceptable.

      As per this ruling I think it's several step backwards - I personally think having characters that have same sex parents in a childrens book is not horrible at all because its real life and two just because there are gay characters does not make it pornographic.

      It's been great discussing with you - I'm sorry I don't have all the answers. If I knew you as a friend this would be an interesting topic to discuss over a few drinks. Us GenXers witnessed the change from print to video to web - part of society has no problem with it and the other part has always had a problem with it.

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  30. These people are the Christian Taliban. With this decision they've laid the groundwork for dumbfuck, religious fundamentalists to ban porn and anything else they consider "obscene" IN THEIR RELIGION via backwards, bullshit "obscenity laws." The United States is a Christo-Fascist Theocracy. Fuck these people and their religion.

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  31. This does nothing. It’s a ‘look, we are protecting our children when we do not parent and too busy to parent’ feel good bill. Texas took your rights away. You know, what the other side is always yelling about. This is about control in the name of a God. You should be mad

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  32. How does the age verification even work? You upload a picture of an ID? Because my first thought is parents about to start locking up their driver's licenses at home.

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    1. These kids know what a VPN is and uses them. No ID required if the net says you're from Canada or a State where ID is not required.

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  33. Hey guys: you don’t need a VPN to get around this. All you have to do is visit one of the millions of porn websites not based in America. Such a moronic law.

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  34. Didn't Texas just arrest a large group of adults for Child sex offenders? Maybe, they should go after the adults.

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  35. Well we all know how Republicans get around this, the child porn they're getting doesn't verify ages on either end.

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  36. this is all about religion and bad parenting. This will stop no child from looking at porn. i remember whna iw as a kid you had to be 18 to buy porn mags. (yes before the internet) and we still got them. same will happen with this. they will just go to forums. discords. back to archie and gopher, FTP and torrent sites.

    If parents are so concerned about porn then maybe they should talk to their kids about it but because they are sh!ty parents they want others to raise their children.....

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  37. Nationwide porn ban coming followed by nationwide marijuana ban, bet.

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  38. So states can set laws for porn sites but not AI ???

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  39. Nobody remember the Ashley Madison hack that exposed users of the site?

    This one is going to be exponentially worse in terms of personal material exposed when the first “trusted id verification company” has a breach

    The problem is it’s not just porn. What’s the next to be shadow banned via impossible methods to enact?

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  40. VPN providers thank you...

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  41. A lot of parents of teenagers better keep their ID in their possession at all times, including when they are sleeping, or they might find out they are watching a lot of porn. Or, better yet, have honest, open conversations with their kids.

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  42. This ruling is a garbage precursor to a broader ban on pornography, including LGBTQ+ content, and it will be rubber-stamped by SCOTUS. I’m all for keeping porn away from kids, but instead of this patchwork of invasive ID laws, the government could have addressed this decades ago. As someone with a background in I.T., I can tell you that creating a dedicated domain like .xxx is technically straightforward and would have cost next to nothing by government standards. They could have funded a .xxx top-level domain, required adult sites to operate under it, and mandated that all consumer routers include a simple, built-in option to block that domain. Through automatic firmware updates, routers could even auto-block known or suspicious adult domains outside of .xxx. The technology already exists, and while it’s easily implemented by professionals or tech enthusiasts, it’s never been made accessible for average users. All of this could be implemented at a societal level with minimal cost and without treating every adult like a criminal. The last remaining leaks? That’s where parenting comes in. Perfect enforcement isn’t possible, but this would have been a far better, more respectful solution than the mess we have now.

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  43. This is just another example of the state stepping in to do the job of parents.

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  44. I'm not opposed to this in principle, but it is completely unworkable and will lead to worse outcomes.

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  45. I mean, I can't say in theory I'm against this one, though it does come with some possible slippery slope potential what with the right's determination to make even the mention of gay folks obscene.

    That said...I'm pretty sure every person born after 2000 knows how to use a VPN, so I'm not sure what it accomplishes.

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  46. This is a tough one. I do think that distributors of porn should be required to take efforts to curb distribution to underage people.. I don't know how you do that without getting some personally identifying information and I don't like the idea of providing it. The argument that it won't work anyways and you'll never stop a horny teenager from getting access to it.. I'm a progressive-as-fuck liberal and we'd never use that same argument against gun control, for example.. so I dunno. I'm onboard with the concerns that this is a slippery decision awaiting malicious overreach from Conservatives and blowhards.. but I'm also onboard with accountability from distributors of such content.

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    1. What constitutes prevention? Is asking you age enough? How about submitting ID? What is enough?

      Then who decides what is "porn"?

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    2. Well I think these are great questions to have clarified. For example, I believe you need to provide age verification and PID to create content on Onlyfans. Are folks ok with that? No one seems to be contesting this burden to create the content, only to consume the content. Is it enough for Pornhub to simply ask, in good faith, if you're 21 (or whatever the age is in your country)? So what should the burden be for distributors of this content? Getting PID is clearly an extreme and a dangerous one at that.. so what is between a simple "yep I'm of age" check and requiring PID?

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    3. The goal will be to make the burden so impossible to confirm as to force these sites out of business in the US. They are just using "But our children" as an excuse.

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    4. That's a fair assessment of how the Conservatives/Right would overreach such a thing. My whole point about this being tough is that there is probably some kind of improvement from where we are now and this. And just as Conservatives would love to see this run out of business (but not really because you know they're heavy consumers of this) on the flip side the businesses themselves would like as little friction to the content as possible. I am simply saying that I think there should be friction.. I don't think that friction should enable overreach and harm to individuals (in case that wasn't obv)

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    5. What will happen is these "businesses" will just jump/shift URLs all the time. You won't find the owners and they will easily offshore.

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    6. I think the bigger point here is that it opens the door for states to declare anything obscene, and age-gate, for example, LGBT information.

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    7. These kids are a lot smarter then these courts when it comes to the NET. Ever heard of a VPN. Kids know about them and use them. These types of laws are meaningless and will do nothing to stop kids from seeing this stuff...... Parents need to be parents and states need to stop trying to be nanny states. You can add software to the kids computers to block sites. Some work better than others. But you have to make it really hard to bypass the software. Phones are another issue. You can get VPN software for you cell phone too.... So like I said, if someone wants to view these sites, no matter what laws you have in place, these laws will do nothing to stop it. The kids are way smarter than the Judges.

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    8. I 100% agree that parents need to monitor, teach, and guide their children. And I agree that you'll never shelter them from everything and I don't actually think you need to. However, I don't agree with the sentiment that since something will not work 100% of the time we should just abandon the entire thing altogether. This is why I make a reference to gun control on this point: if someone wants to a get a gun.. they'll get a gun. That doesn't' mean we should not have sensible gun laws. I said in my original post - I thought quite clearly but maybe not clearly enough - that I don't like the idea of asking for PID.. but I do like the idea that the distributors of this content have a burden to prevent underage consumption. I mentioned in another reply that this burden exists currently on platforms that allow folks to create content (like Onlyfans). We seem to accept that if you want to post porn of yourself you must provide PID and age-verification.. should that also be simply a "oh yeah, i"m def 21" checkbox as well?

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    9. All the sites seem to do now is ask if you are 18 or older. That's it. By answering you agree to the terms that you must be at least 18 to enter. It's a contract and it's legal too. As far as gun control.... I don't agree with much of it. We seem to live in a nanny country...

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  47. Not really. It will stop no one and now pornhub et al. will need to process and maintain a massive verification database. Sure would be embarrassing if that was ever compromised and used to blackmail/extort millions of people.

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  48. yep. why do we trust them with our drivers license and other PII

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  49. Yeah. You'll now have to put in your credit card number, to a site that you already know is somewhat on the scuzzy side, it'll be vulnerable to hacks, blackmail, etc.

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  50. https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/porn-use-sex-addiction-studies/porn-use-rates-mostly-but-not-exclusively-adolescents/

    https://chatgpt.com/s/t_686318a74fbc8191a5cfefd4b20cd52d

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