Sam Altman attacks aim at Elon Musk in latest X posts
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OpenAI CEO Sam Altman has sharply escalated his long-running feud with Elon Musk, responding to newly filed court documents and recent public comments with a series of posts on X, tracking their ongoing legal and business disputes.
This latest round of the feud began after court filings in Musk's lawsuits against OpenAI and Apple became public. Jason Kwon, OpenAI's chief strategy officer, wrote that Musk and his AI company, xAI, produced almost no substantive internal documents during discovery, allegedly relying instead on disappearing messages.
Altman reposted those claims, along with what has become a Musk catchphrase: "Concerning!"
Screenshots of the filings posted online by Kwon appeared to support OpenAI's argument that key communications were not preserved.
Altman didn't stop there. He followed up with a more direct jab, writing that he was "really excited to get Elon under oath in a few months." He called the prospect "Christmas in April."
Altman and Musk are involved in several lawsuits challenging OpenAI's governance changes, including its restructuring from a nonprofit into a for-profit business. Musk has argued those moves betray OpenAI's original mission, while OpenAI has called Musk's suits frivolous.
Early last year, Musk led a $97 billion bid to acquire OpenAI, which Altman publicly rejected.
The posts build on years of tension over OpenAI's direction. Just two weeks ago, Altman was pushing back against Musk on X due to the latter's claim that ChatGPT posed a mental health risk to users. Altman noted Musk's criticism was inconsistent, and explained the difficulty of balancing safety with access for a massive user base.
In the same exchange, Altman pointed to Tesla's autopilot safety record as an example of Musk's own company facing public scrutiny.
Disclosure: Ziff Davis, Mashable’s parent company, in April filed a lawsuit against OpenAI, alleging it infringed Ziff Davis copyrights in training and operating its AI systems.
EFTA Epstein files: "Sam Altman"
ReplyDelete"Sam Altman has signed up as far as I know... Structure might be better preserved than in traditional cryo, but tissue gone"
Altman seems to have worked with Epstein on rigging elections vs going to his island though
Deleteconclusion, Altman is also Mossad, Elon Musk is not (likely US intelligence)
Deleteconclusion, Altman is also Mossad,
Deleteinternetisdeadmsnisproof Elon Musk is not (likely US intelligence)
DeleteNow now you billionaire Tech bros not paying taxes and wanting to eat up OUR resources play nice.
ReplyDeleteshocker - Elon Musk pushing lies and propaganda - to make himself wealthier - who could have guessed? - other than everyone
ReplyDeleteFrance raided X for distribution of AI generated child porn. France actually enforces laws against child predators instead of giving them tax cuts.
ReplyDeleteSelectively enforces. Check Epstein files for "Patsy's Pizza". Every mobster needs patsies
DeleteThe photos are going to be hard to deny.
Deletethat's why they are pushing AI image generation so hard right now
DeleteSo, they want to destroy our environment creating AI that takes our jobs away.
ReplyDeletedoj website EFTA Epstein files: Keywords "Elon Musk"
ReplyDelete"Alter- Organize Elon Musk to the island for Jan 2nd?"
dec 30 2013
Delete*Alert not alter
DeleteUnloads on him but uses Twitter to do it.
ReplyDelete...
STOP USING TWITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He will lie.. and nothing will happen.. as usual..
ReplyDeleteThis
DeleteIt doesn't matter, they all lie under oath, 0 consequences away....
ReplyDeleteThese are senior business leaders...
ReplyDeleteI've always believed one of the best qualities in a business leader (and president, for that matter) is their ability to snipe at others on social media. It's just absolutely crucial and so, so important.
DeleteThe current US president was elected in no small part due to his Twitter game.
Delete...in control of the most dangerous product humanity has ever developed.
DeleteReally.
DeleteSomething tells me that Donald Trump can do a lot more damage to humanity than Sam Altman.
"product" Your political gripe has nothing to do with the conversation.
DeleteThey're literally indistinguishable.
DeleteThe problems will really arise when the “product” is no longer a product.
DeleteIt won't have any effect. Just grifter vs grifter fight in a court.
ReplyDeleteWithout taking sides, I think it's just desserts. Musk has attacked them publicly several times.
ReplyDeleteIn short, they're old enough to handle things on their own!
Elon would have no problem lying under oath
ReplyDeleteI think Sam and the good people at OAI are projecting when they accuse people of AI psychosis lmao
ReplyDeleteMaybe so, but Elon is a target that makes the projection valid.
DeleteI miss X/twitter.
ReplyDeleteXcancel.com is your solution
DeleteAltman is the biggest scumbag i can think of, and there are many. At heart, Elon is a cyberpunk nerd who wants to go to Mars and will do whatever he has to to get there. I believe in his intentions even if his methods are sometimes questionable.
ReplyDeleteAltman, in contrast, is an egotistical maniac who lies and cheats to make himself richer. He has no other motive besides making Altman richer but he’s not transparent about it one bit.
Dude, there is a subreddit for glazing Elon. This isn't it.
DeleteThey're both egotistical maniacs who lie & cheat to make themselves richer.
Both Anthropic and Google are giggling with glee
ReplyDeleteThey should put Sam's sister under oath.
ReplyDeleteThese people are evil.
Just nerds having a pissing contest
ReplyDeleteSomeone tell Sam Elon runs the government for the next 3 years
ReplyDeleteis he talking about the elon that's in the epstein files? the "girls FTW" guy?
ReplyDeleteGirls ftw!
ReplyDeleteI’m curious what the “wrong” ethical actions elons undertaken? Simplistically speaking, in regards to OpenAI, he was always under the impression and goal of maintaining a non profit, “truth seeking” ai, was he not? When Sam flipped the switch, he wanted nothing to do with it. Looking for honest details out of my own ignorance
ReplyDeleteHe is constantly dumping on immigrants and other poor people, while ignoring the crimes and unethical actions that billionaires do every day. His demeaning the value of empathy is a contemptible. He really doesn't understand ethics.
DeleteWith regard to OpenAI, I'm not sure his actions were at all unethical. I think Altman is in big trouble.
Elon Musk is an arrogant jerk, but I really want him to knock Sam out...
ReplyDeleteYeah, I feel the same way. This isn't about either of them. It's about right and wrong.
DeleteI think your theory of the case is weak.
ReplyDeleteA) There is/was no contract B) Musk suffered no damages
Musk did try to attach OpenAi to his own companies!
Your analogy about a crime is poor, because it assumes “crime” instead of proving any fault.
What actually happened is everyone realized that, in order to advance OpenAi’s mission, several large boatloads of money was needed, far more than what was attainable strictly non-profit.
Musk himself acknowledges this fact in emails, then suggests linking OpenAI to Tesla. That was a takeover attempt that took for granted the need for a for-profit entity.
When denied, Musk felt burned, so he left, opened a competitor, and has harassed OpenAi ever since, as a direct competitor.
The Musk case is quite weak, and Altman seems to think it will get weaker with discovery and deposition. He certainly knows more about what could be discovered than either you or I.
The main focus of the case will be converting to a for-profit. Musk's lawyers just need to show that Altman hid important information from the board and investors. That doesn't seem like such a high bar. And just because Musk is guilty of whatever doesn't absolve Altman of any of this.
DeleteThat is a) not what he has to prove and b) not easy to prove, anyway.
DeleteMusk has to prove that informal conversations were an implied contract, and that OpenAI violated that contract.
& that Altman/OpenAI knowingly deceived him
& that OpenAi engaged in anti-competitive tactics (Sam is already under oath defending against this claim)
These are pretty high bars, and we already have seen evidence that Musk wasn’t deceived—in fact, he was in on the strategy
DeleteI'm not really concerned with Musk winning any money from this. I would like to see OpenAI revert back to a not-for-profit. Here's what Gemini 3 says has to happen for that to happen:
To secure a permanent injunction against OpenAI’s conversion to a for-profit entity, a plaintiff must prove actual success on the merits of claims like breach of contract or charitable trust, demonstrating that irreparable harm (such as the loss of public-mission assets) would occur without relief, that monetary damages are inadequate, and that the balance of equities and public interest favor maintaining the nonprofit status.
Necessary Evidence
- Proof of a Binding Agreement: Contemporaneous emails, "Founding Agreements," or signed donation documents that explicitly conditioned funding or participation on OpenAI remaining a perpetual nonprofit.
- Documentation of Misuse of Charitable Assets: Financial records or internal communications showing that assets originally intended for public benefit (like intellectual property or compute resources) are being diverted for private enrichment.
- Evidence of Irreparable Injury: Proof that once the company converts and assets are distributed to private investors, the unique mission and "open" nature of the technology cannot be restored by a simple cash payment.
- Public Interest Impact: Expert testimony or internal documents illustrating how a for-profit shift harms AI safety, accessibility, or the competitive landscape in a way that outweighs the company's need for private capital.
Your analogy is a bit heavy handed and irrelevant. Let me explain the flip side of the coin with an equally heavy handed and biased analogy.
ReplyDeleteImagine that Elon Musk is your uncle and you are a 12 year old girl celebrating your birthday who is just getting started with your entrepreneurial journey. You sit down with uncle Elon and tell him about your big plans of opening a lemonade stand on the street but don’t have any money for supplies. Uncle Elon says ‘Well since it’s your birthday I can make a donation of 40-100 dollars to get you started’. Later on after drinking your lemonade and seeing how it all works and tastes he decides to go out and start his own lemonade stand.
A few years later after spending some summers with the lemonade stand you think ‘well I think it’s about time to grow up I want to buy a car and get my life started’. So you incorporate your business and open up a smoothie shop specializing in lemonade. It’s a HUGE success. You have franchises all over the world. You’ve become the largest smoothie shop in the world. In the meantime uncle Elon has also started his own smoothie shop (4th largest in the world).
Anyways after he left your home (you used to live together and he would sit on the driveway drinking beer while you sold lemonade) and started his own company he got jealous after seeing your success. He decides to sue you! He wants to own your company because he gave you a present for your birthday that let you start your first lemonade stand, he drank beer on the driveway while you sold lemonade. Now he wants a cut of your global operations.
That is so convoluted. Try again with one that shows where a defendant who actually committed a crime is treated like a person who just considered it.
DeleteThere’s one thing I’ve learned about the law and court cases over the years:
ReplyDeleteIt’s all completely fake and the outcome is totally random. If it’s predictable in any way, it’s along the lines of political or cultural allegiances, not anything you would expect about justice or a “normal” interpretation of the facts and the law.
The most important details in this case:
- who is more wealthy and more politically connected?
- who does the judge like more? (usually determined by political drama)
- when things advance into further stages, what are the political and financial and cultural allegiances of the people making decisions then? (other judges, juries, Supreme Court or whatever)
It’s all fake.
hope they both go down for something, horrible power hungry twats
ReplyDeleteMusk not only filed a counterclaim but the last thing musk wants and will do is get on the stand or open himself up to discovery.
ReplyDeleteI think Altman is basically saying this will never go to trial because musk is scared of depositions and discovery.
You would think Altman would be afraid that everyone will find out about why his sister is suing him. High-stakes drama. We will have to wait and see.
Deleteguess it'll come down to who has the fewest skeletons in their closet and who blinks first.
DeleteHand me the popcorn.
Elon, or at least Elon's company, X, will DEFINITELY be on trial soon in several European countries. And it won't be pretty when you look at the accusations.
ReplyDeletehttps://imgur.com/a/BAYF9o6
Yeah, but those trials won't be settled anytime soon. The best Altman can hope for is that the jury understands that they are both ethically challenged.
DeleteGoogle translate of that picture:
Deletehttps://imgur.com/a/ZyrMfD2
He just wanted to bring up Christmas as a jab to Elon for what he was doing Christmas morning a few years back (trying to set up a party with Epstein). Same thing with the ftw codex announcement.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this is a jab or a veiled threat
Yeah, it did sound like a weird allusion considering that Sam is Jewish. Thanks for the clarification.
DeleteY'all imagine Altman like Saruman in his tower, running the company by decree, like Microsoft isn't running the show behind the scene...
ReplyDeleteDoesn’t Sam Altman’s sister claim that Sam Altman SA’d her?
ReplyDeleteYeah, for 10 years starting when she was three. He really doesn't understand the trouble he's in.
DeleteThey filed a counterclaim. Musk is on trial.
ReplyDeleteThat's mainly just standard legal protocol. But you're right. They may both end up losing regardless of who wins.
DeleteNo, they have substantive legal claims against Elon. Some of which are along the same lines as his settlement with the SEC and could, under another administration, form the basis for additional civil or criminal securities violations. I, and many others, are very curious about how many laws Elon will admit to breaking on cross. He struggles to stay on script at the best of times.
DeleteWell, like I said, I'm not a fan of Elon, so if the law can rein them both in the world benefits.
DeleteRight, except your often repeated statement and the purpose of this post is that Elon isn't on trial. He is, there is real jeopardy attached to the counterclaims and he is more likely to experience significant negative consequences from his testimony given his past illegal behavior. Your post is factually and even directionally wrong. You should correct.
DeleteYeah, I wasn't aware that the counter claims were so important. But it still doesn't help Sam's case. He's the one who initiated the move to a for-profit, and Elon wanting to do a similar conversion is legally besides the point. And again, counter claims are standard legal procedures in cases like this.
DeleteI think you are basing your legal analysis on AI reviews of the pleadings and not an understanding of the law or the legal process. Saying counterclaims are standard legal procedures is nonsense. Not understanding the posture and the burden of proof for a fraud claim is also leading you astray. Elon is not in the pole position in this lawsuit. His remaining claims and damages are flimsy and hard to prove.
DeleteYou should check out the public comments on the subject from working litigators rather than LLMs. And you should not leave up misinformation like this which will just feed more garbage into a model that already struggles with legal topics.
Elon?
ReplyDeleteHard to know, but I think that as an insider, Sam Altman is obviously more aware of the situation than some random person on the internet.
ReplyDeleteUnless he's surrounded by yes men.
DeleteUnfortunately, you dont actually know Sam Altman or Elon Musk in the real world.
DeleteWe don't know them, yes. I don't and I doubt you do either (unless… Mr Altman is that you?).
Deleteread my comment again.
Delete"Hard to know, but I think that as an insider, Sam Altman is obviously more aware of the situation than some random person on the internet."
Woops…
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Depositions are a two way street.
DeleteIf Musk wants to depose Altman, Altman gets to depose Musk.
Even a little deceit invalidate claims and gets arguments thrown out. if there is a counter suit, we could see OpenAI with the ONLY case going forward.
And with Musk’s penchant for the truth…he will be the one on trial. The only reason he continue to win is he overwhelms poorer defendants…the law is almost al ways against him. Money buys second…third…fourth chances
Altman isn’t his normal opponent
I’m not betting on Altman being right…I’m betting Musk is wrong
The Judge overseeing the case doesn't agree with you.
DeleteThe judge overseeing the case can’t have an opinion yet
DeleteHi there - I work as a legal professional. You'd be surprise how often the opposite is true. People get very blinded by their allegiances in law.
DeleteThey do, but not billionaires with a team of lawyers behind them while working as CEO and poster boy for the company having an IPO soon.
DeletePeople really think Sam has X on his phone and just casually posts there, as opposed to having every post vetted by a media and legal team. Sam probably doesn't even have access to his own account.
Billionaires are not some special group of human beings with entirely different biological or psychological makeups from the rest of us.
DeleteNo they are not, but they are public people with a ton of money. And the smart ones (anyone is free to think Sam is evil, or just a dick, but I haven't heard anybody claim he is stupid, except OP) know that the wrong tweet can get them fired, or lose a ton of money, which is why everything in public is crafted.
DeleteThis happens even for some smaller companies of medium size, it's absolutely the case for Sam and OpenAI, with an upcoming IPO of a gazillion dollars.
No, but the 'smart thing to do' is often overridden by the 'egotistical thing to do'. Which with Musk...
DeleteWell, normally it's career suicide to throw the Bellamy/Roman salute in public.
I do think, by their very nature, billionaires are made up differently than normal people. Something about the relationship between power and corruptability.
I wouldn't trust Musk, under oath, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... and that will play against him in his suit.
Yeah they’re insane and work themselves nonstop to achieve what some would deem impossible
Deleteyeah, and with that comes a sense of superiority over the rest of us... except for the billionaires that get there because they inherit a lot of money and can afford to throw money at a lot of projects until one makes them richer... but THAT never happens...
DeleteSometimes being an insider is what brings on the most delusion. Too wrapped up in everything to see it for what it is. Don't make this about the analyzer. Make it about the analysis.
DeleteDid you read the court documents? If not, how can you analyze something you know absolutely nothing about?
DeleteIs there any point in imagining the stories behind tweets?
this guy starts to sound like a desperate teen looking for a prom date
ReplyDeleteSounds like he's really lost it.
DeleteIt is unfortunate that Musk is the plaintiff in this case. He really shouldn’t get any more money. This should be more of an anti trust case or tax evasion case brought by the government. But Trump’s lackeys would never bring a suit against any of the AI companies.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the way I see it is that Elon is working as a tool for the public good. His primary demand is that OpenAI should go back to being a not-for-profit. It's only if he doesn't get that that he's asking for the money. In case you haven't noticed, Trump is losing more and more power and influence everyday.
Delete>Elon is working as a tool for the public good
DeleteBahahahaha Elon does nothing for 'the public good'. Remember when those children in Thailand were trapped in a cave? He called the rescuer a pedophile because he was bitter he couldn't be the hero. That's not the brain of a person who cares about others.
No, I really believe he is right that a company shouldn't just be allowed to go from not-for-profit to for-profit, and make billions of dollars for the founders that way. It's not like the guy is completely evil, lol.
DeleteJust to be clear, Leon is completely evil. He will do anything for money and power.
DeleteThis but the byproduct is sometimes he is right.
Deletesomething something, trains on time.
DeleteBut that’s not quite what happened.
DeleteThey realised they needed big investment, and that could only come if it was for profit. That seems reasonable - I wouldn’t invest in something incipient see a return in.
So they didn’t change ‘the company’ - they created a new entity which was for profit. There is a very important distinction between the two.
The for profit company has a cap on how much profit it can make.
Other examples of similar entities are the BBC, Mozilla, Patagonia etc. would you ban these as well?
That doesn't jibe with Brockman writing in his diary that he was looking forward to earning billions. The main point is that Altman kept important information from both the board and his donors.
DeleteWhat important information? That's the first I've heard of that.
DeleteI think it does jibe with Brockman writing it in his diary, but we'll have to disagree on that. All things can be true.
Yeah, well we'll have to wait until the trial begins. It should make the OJ Simpson trial seem like a minor case, lol.
DeleteActually I asked Gemini 3, and it provided some clarification:
DeleteWhile the headline-grabbing $134 billion is the primary focus of the April 2026 trial, Musk’s legal team has filed for several non-monetary (equitable) remedies. He isn’t just looking for a check; he is looking for structural and behavioral control over how OpenAI operates.
Beyond the money, Musk is specifically asking for:
1. Declaratory Relief on "AGI" This is perhaps the most significant non-monetary request. Musk is asking the court to formally declare that GPT-4 (and its successors) constitute Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).
- Why it matters: OpenAI’s contract with Microsoft explicitly excludes AGI from their IP license. If the court declares that OpenAI has already achieved AGI, Microsoft’s legal right to use those models could be terminated.
- The Goal: Musk wants to sever the relationship between OpenAI and its biggest financial backer by using the court to define the technology.
1. Invalidation of the For-Profit Pivot Despite the restructuring being "finalized" in October 2025, Musk’s filings still seek a permanent injunction to void the conversion.
- While the judge denied the preliminary injunction (the "pause button"), Musk is asking for a permanent one at the end of the trial.
- This would theoretically force the company to revert to its non-profit status or, more realistically, place all for-profit assets into a constructive trust where they can only be used for the "public benefit" rather than for shareholder profit.
1. Disgorgement of Intellectual Property Musk isn't just asking for the $38 million he put in; he’s asking for the disgorgement of the technology developed using his funds.
- He is seeking a court order that would force OpenAI to make its technology open-source, as originally promised in the 2015 founding agreement.
- He argues that because the research was funded under the guise of "open" science, the resulting code and weights should be public property, not proprietary secrets.
1. Prohibiting "Self-Dealing" by Defendants Musk has requested an injunction specifically targeting Sam Altman and Greg Brockman.
- He wants to prohibit them from engaging in any "self-dealing" transactions—essentially a court-monitored ban on them using OpenAI’s assets to benefit their other investments or personal ventures.
- This is a direct shot at Altman’s vast portfolio of other tech investments (like Helion and Worldcoin) that Musk claims benefit from OpenAI’s success.
1. Punitive Damages and "Social Stigma" While technically "money," punitive damages are designed to punish and deter behavior rather than just compensate for loss. Musk is asking for these specifically to set a legal precedent that prevents other non-profits from "laundering" charitable donations into for-profit enterprises in the future. Summary of Intent
Musk’s strategy is a "pincer movement": he wants the money to fund his own rival, xAI, but he also wants injunctions that would strip OpenAI of its competitive advantages (open-sourcing their tech) and break their alliance with Microsoft.
Totally, he's doing this because he's bitter, and because it gives him a commercial advantage.
DeleteI think Musk really is concerned with people starting a not-for-profit, and then converting it to a for-profit in order to make billions of dollars. He's bitter that he was deceived, and that's understandable. Altman says that he's just a frustrated competitor. I'm wondering if that will still hold water after Grok 5 is released in March.
Delete"I think Musk really is concerned with people starting a not-for-profit, and then converting it to a for-profit in order to make billions of dollars"
DeleteThey didn't convert it. They opened a for-profit arm. There is a significant difference.
Also, unsure why you would think a serial liar cares about perceived truth.
It sold 27% of its stake to Microsoft. That's not a for-profit arm. Are you talking about Sam or Elon? lol.
DeleteI agree with you regarding Trump personally, but the Article 2 powers of his administration will remain until that whole group leaves office. Can't be soon enough for me. Unfortunately, I do not think a new administration will change the problem. We really do effectively live in a oligarchy in the US (and probably most of the "developed" world).
DeleteYeah, my expectation is that when AIs reach an IQ 160 or 170 they will take down all of those corrupt politicians for us!
Deletedon't use IQ, it's a poor measure of intelligence despite the name.
DeleteIt's by far the best measure of intelligence that we have. If you think differently, what are you suggesting should replace it?
DeleteIt's like Mensa. It's just a number, it doesn't encapsulate everything that goes into being intelligent. IQ doesn't measure creativity, wisdom (street-smarts), Emotional Intelligence, or anything that can't be quantified by base knowledge, speed, and accuracy.
DeleteWith a big enough dataset, AI can churn out answers quickly and use language enough to score highly on IQ tests... but it's not intelligence.
If you can reduce intelligence down to only a test and a scorable one at that, then intelligence is limited and machines can do it right now.
Always moving the goal posts.
Deleteand you have no argument against it. I moved no goalposts. Someone asked why I didn't consider IQ to be a valid measurement and I answered.
DeleteIQ has been used as a measurement of human intelligence for many years and is the best measure we have. The Stanford Binet IQ test is shown to be quite valid as demonstrated by research.
Deletehttp://www.iapsych.com/articles/laurent1999.pdf
So it is your job to disprove the research and show it is not a valid measure of intelligence. You don’t just get to state a conclusion with no foundation.