Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI
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| Maybe he shouldn't have skipped the trial to go to China. Credit: Alex Wong/Getty Images |
Elon Musk's $150 billion lawsuit against his fellow OpenAI founders died a quick and unceremonious death Monday.
After spending more than three weeks listening to witnesses, including Musk, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, and Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, the nine-member Oakland jury took just two hours to decide Musk's case had no merit — based entirely on its timing.
Musk was seeking damages over OpenAI's conversion from a nonprofit to a for-profit enterprise run by a nonprofit board. He claimed that a $10 billion Microsoft investment in 2023 was when he realized the ChatGPT maker was straying from the original terms of its charitable foundation.
But much of the courtroom drama turned on whether his lawsuit fell within the statute of limitations for such a case. Musk's team strained to prove that he wasn't worried about Microsoft "capturing" OpenAI before 2023 — despite a 2020 tweet from Musk that said exactly that, to take just one example.
Musk's lawyers at the courthouse Monday told reporters they will appeal the verdict.
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In theory, the jury's decision was advisory — meaning federal judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers could still have ruled in Musk's favor if she disagreed. But Rogers concurred, tossing the lawsuit.
Rogers showed herself to be no great friend to Musk during the trial, reminding the billionaire that he was "not a lawyer" despite him taking Law 101 in college.
Musk also didn't help his case by absconding to China last week, when the judge had required him to stay close in case he needed to testify again. Counsel for Altman and the other co-founders made hay out of this fact in their closing arguments, noting that their clients had actually shown up.
The jury seemed sympathetic to OpenAI's attorney then, and the speed of their verdict has confirmed their sympathies.
OpenAI emerges unscathed. The company will continue its march to a potential $1 trillion IPO — one of the most anticipated public offerings of the decade. Altman has cause to celebrate too, despite Musk's counsel painting him as fundamentally untrustworthy (echoing a recent New Yorker investigation) and causing him to confirm for the first time he does have an equity stake in OpenAI.
Musk hasn't tweeted since the trial verdict came in. Altman, meanwhile, merely congratulated the ChatGPT team on its latest build.
imo It would be nice to just toss him out of America completely!
ReplyDeleteAlong with his convict buddy infesting our White House! Semper Fi!!
DeleteHe's following Orange Julius's playbook. Sue, lose, cry and deflect from Epstein Files
DeleteMaybe, money is never enough, but he has enough to appeal.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is that Elon Musk lost, bigly. The bad news is that Sam Altman won.
ReplyDeleteMoney is never enough, for some.
ReplyDeletelol the irony of 'i wont fund a non-profit' guy losing to 'i became a for-profit' guys. neither party comes out cleaner. just builders watching billionaires invent new ways to fight
ReplyDeleteThis is strange, he's loosing or he is using this in the next move? I am confused how he can loose or not achieve his target knowing how he is behaving in other cases.
ReplyDeleteI suspect he wants something else or he will make a different move.
Despite all the scandals surrounding Sam, I still choose to trust him.
ReplyDeleteA person Paul Graham believes in probably can’t be fundamentally that bad. Besides, Sam was someone with compassion for others many years ago, and I believe he still retains that sense of empathy today.
Elon Musk is a loser, period.
ReplyDeleteThat went a lot faster than I thought it would 😂
ReplyDeleteI am happy one of the lost! I am sad one of them won :(
ReplyDeleteIf evil is going to win it might as well be the lesser evil.
ReplyDeleteWoof, so non-profits can just steal donations and become for-profit with no consequences if they can drag out a court case about it for 3 years?
ReplyDeleteI realize people are cheering because they hate musk but it seems like they really had a strong argument and the case was dismissed for being beyond the statute of limitations.
ReplyDeleteIf only both could have lost. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteMusk had no leg to stand on here so this is entirely unsurprising, but I'm holding out hope that there's some catostrophic legal losses in OpenAI's future.
The reason why is pretty important: They ruled the 3 year statute of limitations has passed.
ReplyDeleteEven if Elon wins the appeal the appeals court would likely narrow his claims and most of what matters is cleanly more than 3 years before 2024 when he filed. Timelines:
2015 — OpenAI founded
2018 — OpenAI Five beats pro Dota 2 players
2018 — Elon Leaves OpenAI board
2019 — OpenAI changes to capped-profit structure
2019 — Microsoft invests $1B
2019 — GPT-2 released
2020 — GPT-3 released
2021 — DALL·E and Codex released
Nov 2022 — ChatGPT released
2023 — GPT-4 released <----(3 years ago)
Nov 2023 — Sam Altman fired and rehired days later
2024 — GPT-4o released
2024 — Sora announced
2025 — GPT-5 era begins
It's unfortunate, I think the basic argument Musk was making was correct (OpenAI had "stolen a charity") but as was found in this case he was bringing the suit with a scummy ulterior motive. So if there'd been some way both of them could have lost that would have been ideal.
ReplyDeleteYes, that is what makes the whole thing so irritating, because there probably was a real concern underneath it but it got dragged into a petty power struggle between people who seem to treat institutions like personal trophies.
DeleteWhat a joke that we should care about ethics just for their interpersonal squabbles
ReplyDeleteMan I wish he won that - Open source models are really the only thing that'll keep the governments and a handful of people from controlling the entire thing.
ReplyDelete🤣🤣🤣🤣 Musk is a damn hypocrite calling OpenAI and Sam Altman greedy. Have you seen the prices of Grok? For the same functionality as ChatGPT, they want 30 bucks a month. ChatGPT is still only 20 a month.
ReplyDeleteInteresting, “you filed too late” is Altman’s defense in his child rape case as well.
ReplyDeleteHA HA LOSER!
ReplyDeleteNarc 1 v Narc 2... Fight!
ReplyDeleteThe real winner was the lawyers.
ReplyDeleteelon doesn't lose these (in response to that guy that bet on elon winning)
ReplyDeleteThe duality of Reddit: AI is bad, but I'm happy they won because it's against Elon
ReplyDeleteIt's because he supported Trump. Reddit use to glaze Elon before he started coming out with his political views.
Deletelot of people hated him long before that, also he even got beaten up in his childhood so many times lol, wonder why is that, must be because his political opinions
DeleteMaybe someone can help me understand: if this came down to something as cut-and-dried as “outside the statute of limitations” how did it still take two hours to decide?
ReplyDeleteHow did it even make it to court? Don't they try to figure out these things before going to trial?
You need proof and due process. That's why you don't hang the dude who literally killed 10 people in front of your eyes...and no they don't figure these things before going to trial. The trial is there to figure things out
ReplyDeleteElon is a billionaire right wing nut jo so he is really bad. No clue about sam but I think he is gay.
ReplyDeleteMusk’s did not expect to win the case to begin with. His goal was to cause distraction and slow down OpenAI’s progress, which was achieved to some degree. Anthropic came out as the winner. XAI is half dead and does not have much a chance to catch up.
ReplyDeletexAi is coming back, bet your house on it
Deletein the sense that they'll just buy cursor and absorb their composer model, sure they'll "come back". just not through their own engineering and effort
Deleteso basically what you're saying is that I should bet my house on it? thanks bro, I knew I made the right decision
DeleteMy son has a toy house. I would not want to bet it on it.
Deletemark my words you will live to ragret this decision. It is the safest bet in the universe! I bet all my savings , NO REGERTS!
DeleteNo thanks
DeleteNo regrats!
DeleteAnd the point of this lawsuit?
ReplyDeleteDRAMA! 🎭
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ReplyDelete“the court agreed with the advisory jury’s determination”
DeleteDid you read the article?
power of denial is strong within this one.
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DeleteI was looking in Reddit gives me an OpenAI ad on this post for good measure
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ReplyDeletePorque no los dos?
DeleteSoulless ghoul TROUNCED IN COURT by soulless ghoul
ReplyDeleteWhen Elon Musk and Sam Altman founded OpenAI, it was intended as a non-profit mission to develop AI for the benefit of humanity. However, Altman later shifted the company to a for-profit model; Musk lost his lawsuit because the statute of limitations had expired, though any winnings would have gone to charity.
ReplyDeleteI’m neutral on Sam but I don’t like Elon at all. So a good outcome
ReplyDeleteYou should not be neutral on Altman. He is as bad and worse and this outcome sets a pretty terrible precedent about stealing donations to non-profits by converting to for-profit.
DeleteElon is just a clown, forced xAI programmers to check elons twitter messages for each grok query, and align grok answers with elons opinion. Image if Sam did that lol. This is some next level mental illness, amazes me that so many ppl think this guy is some kind of god while he is the biggest clown on the planet.
DeleteOut of curiosity, I threw Grok some "culture war" prompts that Elon and his ilk might disapprove of. It's so misalligned, it's not even neutral. Like it feels very forced for it to swing a certain away.
DeleteLol, well put!
DeleteSam Altman is also trash
DeleteElon is slightly worse garbage
Nah, Altman is terrible, but Musk is in contention for worst human being on the planet.
DeleteNetanyahu takes that cake
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DeleteNetanyahu is basically Hitler and that's not an exaggeration
Democratically elected head of a small country who's imperfectly trying to lead a nation besieged by terrorist proxies is the same as Hitler?
DeleteDidn't realize democratically elected leaders were immune to terrorism.
DeleteThrown out purely because it exceeded statute of limitations. 3 years seems short, no?
ReplyDeleteVery short, but remember that laws are made for the rich and the rich do a lot of business deals
DeleteIs elon musk not rich?
DeleteSo is Sama. Your point?
DeleteWho's sama
DeleteYa that seems insanely short and then you look at corporate copyright rights or patents on drugs. I wonder why they are so long oh Micky mouse.
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DeleteExactly
DeleteFinally being able to do what I wish with Steamboat Micky Mouse was the trickle down I was waiting for.
DeleteIn reality they'll still patent troll you if you try to use him. Unless you're like a multi-millionaire that wants to lose all your money for fun, and win against Disney after 10+ years long drawn out court battle.
DeleteIt's good that Elon lost, but sucks that Sam Altman didn't, isn't there a way they could both implode?
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DeleteDon't you see how genuinely stupid this opinion is though.
"It's good person A lost because I dislike them".
"But I wish person B lost because I also dislike them".
How about we actually seek truth instead. Bring on the downvotes.
OpenAI might go bankrupt. They’re winning the political game but their models fall behind with every iteration. The brain drain is real and massive.
Delete"their models fall behind with every iteration. The brain drain is real and massive."
DeleteWait what? This has to be the most braindead take I’ve read about OpenAI. I know people are still on this Sam Altman hate train, but acting like OpenAI is “falling behind in every iteration" is just detached from reality.
It’s hilarious watching people desperately hope OpenAI goes bankrupt just because they hate them so bad, when realistically that’s not happening anytime soon lol
Which competition is that? People love to pull shit like this out of their asses, but I can tell you as someone who uses the major models on a daily basis for coding, that codex 5.5 doesn’t currently have an equal in the market. Opus 4.7 is such an absolutely massive regression from 4.6 that it’s embarrassing, and the best Chinese model is about 70% as competent as codex.
DeleteI don’t care for OpenAI or Altman, but pretending that their models are inferior to others makes you look foolish.
Knowing Musk he probably thought best case he wins but even if he loses Altman gets dragged through the mud which absolutely happened.
ReplyDeleteWhat mud? Did anything get exposed that we didn't know already from Musk tweeting about it etc.?
DeleteI don't think the stuff Brockman wrote in his personal diary was known about publicly until the trial.
DeleteOpenAI has sort of rebutted some of the excerpts, but the excerpts themselves don't sound particularly good on their own. https://openai.com/index/the-truth-elon-left-out/
I doubt it's anything that will move the needle in terms of user numbers. people only really care about model performance. unless there's something crazy like military contracts.
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ReplyDeleteI think this bot is broken
DeleteThere was a bug apparently at the time I posted that multiplied my comments, deleting them now, sorry 😅
DeleteYeahhh I noticed that in other posts after I made this comment too
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Deletehttps://imgur.com/a/9EKXeEy
I do like Elon Musk, but I wasn’t happy with this move of his. I’m happy this is the result and hope Sam takes this victory and just accelerates OpenAi to the max
ReplyDeletehow on earth could you like Elon Musk? He’s a piece of shit garbage human.
DeleteWhat do you hate about him
Deletebeing a fucking nazi for example?
DeleteThat word has zero meaning anymore because of smooth brains like you lol
DeleteWhat nazi stuff? Please be specific. Don’t fall into the narrative that’s out there, have your own opinion. Calling someone a nazi is a pretty big thing to do, you have to have something strong to back it up with
DeleteEither you are a troll or a bot. He did the Nazi salute on television twice, in addition to grok mechahitler, and went to Germany to support the Nazi party in the elections... do you need more? Because there's more
DeleteI would love a link to an article where is says that he supported the nazi party
DeleteI'm not going to feed the troll more
DeleteSmh
DeleteI'm not the person you were talking to but let me give you something where you can start your research: https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-why-elon-musk-is-promoting-the-far-right-afd/a-71186763
DeleteWhen your research is done, think about how much a person might be hiding if they're willing to show this. Then think about the connections in Epstein files, the mails exchanged. Think about his overwhelming support of Trump who for some weird coincidence is mentioned thousands of times in different Epstein files. I'm sure it can happen with anyone.
What a coincidence all of this!
But I know all of this won't go though your head and you will just do a biased research, if any. So go support whoever you fucking like and keep telling yourself how much of a good guy you are.
Let me put it to you this way. What is Elon doing. Elon is looking to create a path to economic abundance and post labour economics. Without making too much of a reply here, I will refer to Ian Banks “the culture series”. Elon and people like him took that whole thing in the literal sense and everything he’s doing is moving towards that. I wish he would have kept out of politics since politics nowadays is filled with emotion, no true growth sense just “us vs them” mentality. I personally will stand by my statement cause I do believe that he’s brought a lot of positive to the world (again politics aside). So hit me w all the dislikes and whatever, I can’t sit here and be duplicitous just so i fall in line with the ant hill which you’re part of
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DeleteHe says, "I would like a link" - link provided.
Now he says, politics aside, Elon is amazing.
What's next? When he rapes someone you will say 'personal life aside' he's done so well for the economy?
You're the definition of what's wrong with this world and why people like Trump are elected.
I hope you can find a mirror to look into one day but who am I kidding.
Well, I mean, we all knew this guy wasn't going to argue in good faith from the start of the thread.
DeleteI think you need to relax and stop being so emotional. Open your mind, cause you as well as others have bias in your minds. Proving someone wrong or fighting w someone just for having an opinion leaves for little room for anything productive
DeleteLearn to use Google.
Deletehttps://imgur.com/a/e0ph72y
ReplyDeleteAnthropic is the real winner
ReplyDeleteAnthropic is made of the people who worked at OAI and decided to be adults and go make a competent company. XAI is people who thought Sam Altman was too nice of a guy or not capitalist enough. And OAI is run by people who saw Gavin Belson on Silicon Valley and decided to model their entire personas on it.
DeleteI mean, they still spend all day making a bullshit machine and operate under delusions of a mystical "super-intelligence." We don't need to glaze Anthropic here; they're still evil idiots. In fact they're the exact same sort of evil idiots as Altman et al. just with different set dressing.
DeleteMy dude you're in singularity.
DeleteLike I think banning people who say "the singularity may be bad" is way too far, but if you don't even think that the singularity is possible, then why are you here lol.
Oh singularity is def within reach but literally no one here will benefit from it. Why would it be different? Tech bros incentives aren’t really altruistic in nature, quite the opposite actually
DeleteEntertainment. It's fun to watch people work through cognitive dissonance.
DeleteI was wondering this - Is this the reddit consensus? Sam altman is a good guy? I thought it was just elon hate but people actually think there's a good guy here like a Marvel movie lol. Flipping a not-for-profit is possibly the most capitalist move.
Delete"XAI is people who thought Sam Altman was too nice of a guy or not capitalist enough."
Delete"I was wondering this - Is this the reddit consensus? Sam altman is a good guy?"
What?
The comment you responded to mocked xAI staff for wanting to be even less nice than Sam Altman, and even more capitalist than he is. The implication being that Sam Altman is already not at all nice, and overly capitalistic.
The comment means exactly the opposite of what you are suggesting...
Yeah. The dude is built in a lab by Y-Combinator. I’m just saying Elon and his crew at XAI are EVEN MORE extreme. Musk is mask-off Nazi.
DeleteAt the risk of being seen as a Musk stan, I genuinely think he's a mask-on Nazi, as in he effectively tried to larp as a Nazi for views. Up to debate if that's better or worse.
DeleteIdk. It really doesn’t get more intellectual than labelling anybody that disagrees politically a Nazi and ‘literally hitler’ but i’ll try. Because some people were able to prompt an AI to be racist for a day, doesn’t mean OpenAI is somehow better than Xai. The whistleblower death is a coincidence? Would you believe it was a coincidence if it had happened at Xai?
DeleteBro, I don’t like any of these people at the top. The AI they’re building is cool and will clearly be important to the future of humanity, good or bad.
DeleteIf you think OAI is just as bad as XAI, I’m not going to argue with you. You could easily be right.
The Box. Signature edition 8====D
Deletehttps://imgur.com/a/B9XHphs
DeleteA shame they couldn't have both lost.
ReplyDeleteThe only good part about this trial is the treasure trove of DMs and emails that make everyone involved look hilariously bad.
ReplyDeleteedit: This all got too parasocial for my comfort. I regret this comment.
Is there somewhere i can just view all of the messages that came out during this trial
DeleteIf you're rocking an agent, have them scrape here. > https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69013420/musk-v-altman/
DeleteIf not, try here. > https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5jjk4CDnj9tA7ugxr/openai-email-archives-from-musk-v-altman
Sounds like a good app idea....shit Silicon valley ceo's say
DeleteIt was very boring
DeleteThe real winner was the lawyers
DeleteIt made me like Altman more actually. Seems like a level headed guy. He gets hate a lot but it's because people are envious of his success.
DeleteI agree with you.
DeleteWhen all the snobbish people casually mocked an ordinary dreamer, only Sam Altman stepped up to speak for someone he didn’t even know. He didn’t have to do that, especially not in front of so many powerful Silicon Valley figures and their sycophantic followers, yet he still chose to stand up courageously. A person who lacks compassion for others by nature simply would not do something like this.
I feel the opposite, i haven't seen anything at all that makes sam altman look bad
DeleteBrockman will probably never again write another journal entry, but Altman's DMs actually made him feel more relatable.
DeleteThe thing you always have to remember with Altman is that he is a complete sociopath and pathological liar. Every single piece of communication he engages in is for his own benefit. His tactic is to act like he empathizes and agrees with everyone he talks to.
DeleteI don't think that surprises anyone. You can keep your entire statement the same. Only replace Altman with any other CEO of a company worth more than 50b and it would fit right in.
DeleteIf you didn't step on toes to become CEO of an influential company, you aren't the CEO of an influential company
This is true to some extent, but I think Altman's demonstrated sociopathy and abusive behaviour exceeds even what is typical of a CEO.
DeleteNot really. I don't see how he is any different from other up and coming CEOs like Dario. Some of his reactions if you actually look at the memos he sends is also extremely childish, egotistic, and of course sociopathic. Its either his way or the highway. The difference is people are not fixated on him, at least not yet. Other examples of egotistical CEOs include various ones of hedge funds you never heard of yet they exert outsized influence. The difference? Those CEOs are not in the spotlight.
DeleteIts not different from people grabbing their pitchforks against Biden during election season years ago while people are grabbing their pitchforks again Trump now. 99% of people can't think for themselves, so they listen to whatever narrative. If the narrative says biden bad, then biden bad. If it says trump bad, then trump bad.
I dunno. Dario is obviously an idiot narcissist as well. I wouldn't say he has values exactly, but he has some semi-consistent positions that he advocates for in at least an approximation of good faith. Altman lacks even that. In literally every conversation Altman is trying to find the thing to say that will make you like him the most. I don't think whether or not the statement is true never even enters into his cognition at all.
DeleteAt least that was my impression from Karen Hao's work and various reporting. He strikes me as uniquely sociopathic and evil even amongst Silicon Valley CEOs.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222725518-empire-of-ai
How is it in good faith? If you dig even a little bit into Dario's arguments its all because he wants anthropic to control everything. Not the DoD, not China, not other AI labs, not any overarching body. Only Anthropic. Anthropic's marketing team is really good at hiding it but read up on his memos like the leaked one after he found out openai got the DoD deal he wanted and the recent one they put out on China. Its very ironic too considering china is the leading force in actual OPEN models yet he is advocating for only Anthropic to have control as the most "democratized" option.
DeleteAnd yes hes great at standing firm by that belief, but as i said. Dig a little deeper and you will find he is no different from Altman who himself is no different from any major company CEO
I do agree with you than Dario is a psychopath. I mean, the guy thinks there's a non-zero chance that he's gonna make super-AI that will destroy humans. He's not a serious person.
DeleteI don't think I did a good job articulating what I meant. And yeah, I think even "approximation of good faith" is probably giving him too much credit.
Let me try to make my point through an example. Dario led the "safety" clan at OpenAI before his depature (of course, by "safety" he meant non-sensical super AI fantasies, but set that aside). In every meeting, to every person, he consistently said that "safety" was important, and argued for his position. If he encountered someone who disagreed he would try to convince them to his position.
Altman, by contrast, would given everyone he talked to the impression that he agreed with them even if they had completely opposite and mutually exclusive opinions. This behaviour included (but wasn't limited to) lying to their face, or even falsely claiming that he talked to other people who were on his side. He would do this constantly.
So I guess what I'm saying is that Dario at least has claimed a clear and consistent position, and while he obviously is full of shit and lies all the time as well, his lies have directional alignment. Altman doesn't even have that much going for him. He is sociopathy incarnate.
That seems to be the characterization everyone gives him but I find very little hard evidence on that.
DeleteIt's not the general public calling him that per se, it's the people he works with on a day to day basis
DeleteThe funniest thing was when Elon was talking about how untrustworthy Sam is. Elon - the guy that lied about cutting 2 trillion from the national debt and faked playing video games.
DeleteYeah, Elon's antics on this actively undermines the believability of these things. It looks like a chicken's squarrel from the outside.
DeleteIt's a pretty long and occassionally unfocused book, but Karen Hao's Empire of AI is the best source for this. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222725518-empire-of-ai
DeleteThe reason the board tried to oust him was because they started talking to each other and realized that he was lying to each of them individually. The ouster failed because he had reached full cult-leader status amongst his employees.
If you can achieve that level of loyalty or devotion from your employees, that’s an accomplishment in and of itself
DeleteYou do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to these fascist morons.
Delete"Fascist"
DeleteUsing irrelevant buzzwords against people you don't like is low IQ behavior, do better.
Last I checked, Sam Altman doesn't seem to be a far right, ultranationalist authoritarian. And he's definitely less of a moron than you.
What?
Delete"AI" as deployed is an intrinsically fascist technology. It's only function is to concentrate wealth and power, calcify existing heirarchies by statistically laundering them through them through a chatbot, and delegitimize art and expertise.
There's a reason why all the real fascist love this tech. Altman himself would be nothing if not for his close relationship with Peter Thiel https://web.archive.org/web/20250725114759/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/12/23/sam-altman-openai-peter-thiel-silicon-valley/ and seems more than happy to cosy up with Trump et al. https://www.newsweek.com/sam-altman-changed-mind-donald-trump-stargate-2019425 The fact that you didn't know that he was a fascist demonstrates your catostrophic ignorance of some very basic facts.
As for his intelligence, he certainly displays some cleverness in how he's willing to shamelessly lie to and manipulate everyone he comes into contact with, and I'm proud that I don't share those qualities. But his co-workers readily admit he can't code. https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/sam-altman-technical-coding I mean, the guy seems to think that a shitty autocomplete function is a path to "super intelligence." He's probably lying of course, but nobody willing to give an idea that self-evidently stupid any credence can be remotely intelligent.
It's a bit of a stretch to call AI fascist. It does not tell people to conform to it's ideologies. It's a tool to bring knowledge to the masses. The implementation by those in power could be seen as fascist, but the tool itself is relatively benign. I have no qualms with the hate for Sam Altman. At best he's an opportunist CEO who will do whatever it takes. He's got a strong megalomaniacal streak.
DeleteIt's a bit of a stretch to call AI fascist. It does not tell people to conform to it's ideologies. It's a tool to bring knowledge to the masses.
Deletelmao wut? This has got to be one of the single stupidest statements I've ever seen on this sub...and I've seen quite a few. In what universe does injecting a bunch hallucinated garbage into the information ecosystem "bring knowledge to the masses." Set aside the fact that using it literally makes you stupider https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt/ but polluting the internet with bullshit does the exact opposite of bringing the knowledge to the masses. It makes the free tools available useless because they're awash in "AI" filth.
Tools are not morally neutral. Think of what use cases exist for a bullshit machine of this sort. All of the uses only benefit the ultra elite who get to control the everything machine. That's why it's a intrinsically fascist technology.
I mean anyone can get stupider by having it do all your work for you. The goal is to use it in a way that allows you to think critically. It's a wonderful tool to help you brainstorm, but you have to put in the work and guide it along. You can't just ship whatever it spits out because it can't think. That's your job.
DeleteAll of the available evidence shows that there isn't really a way to use it to "think critically." If you're "using it to help you brainstorm" you're already offloading key cognitive tasks. Everything about the technology is encouraging you to cognitively offload as much as possible. That's why it's never been useful for anything remotely productive in real life outside of very narrow research applications for processing text as data.
DeleteYou have it analyze you and your arguments. Watch it cook up something you hadn't considered. Now you have an idea that you didn't have before. And you can use other tools to help flesh out this brand new idea.
DeleteIf you are actually capable of thought you should be able to analyze your arguments yourself. Or even better talk to another person who can actually give you opinions rather than vomit bullshit that's trained to be synchophantic. Your approach is a great way to cook your brain.
DeleteI see, I think you've just given me a book I might actually be interested in reading for the first time in a long time. Thanks, I'll have a look (and perhaps report back some day).
DeleteDo be wary of her sourcing or at least double check anything you quote her on. Her numbers for water use in Chile for example were off by a factor of 1000. To be fair, aside from a particular disdain for Silicon Valley that predates her Altman hit piece, she does not appear to have any particular conflicts of interest.
Deletehttps://www.wired.com/story/karen-hao-empire-of-ai-water-use-statistics/
I totally agree with you.
DeleteOops. 🤔
Sounds like projection, honestly.
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DeleteI don't think any of it was particularly traumatizing and we don't have reason to assume it was for him.
DeleteLMAO i’m sure they envy you. I’m share two of the richest people on the planet are dying to be anonymous on Blog.
DeleteI’ll never understand people on the Internet publicly proclaiming their love for people who will literally never even acknowledge their existence even if they were in the same room together. There are more people in posts like these talking about they feel bad for the billionaires than there are in posts about victims of sexual assault or hunger and poverty, the world is cesspool. (I’m not singling you out directly OC, just a general thing I’ve noticed)
There is a big difference between proclaiming love for someone and simply expressing sympathy. I don’t see a lot of grand proclamations of love in comments about billionaires. What I see most often are general statements of sympathy expressed with the same level of passion one might give to a news article about a car crash.
DeleteIt's normal human empathy to feel bad for people, regardless of their social standing. Most people do not turn off their emotions just because the person in question is rich, evil, or both.
Delete(some) Billionaires are highly public individuals, they will get more attention naturally and thus more empathy in total than a random unknown suffering individual.
Honestly very nuance take.
DeleteYour last statement is completely true. All I was saying is logically it makes no sense since the person you’re declining to extend that empathy to is the one that actually is statistically and realistically more likely to be closer to your position and help you knowing that whereas the person you’re completely aware of is the one that is the least likely to ever even look at your direction. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs. I appreciate your honesty
Aww the poor little rich guy being embarrassed publicly is sooo traumatic.
DeleteRemove "rich" and honestly most people would sympathize with that. Fear of public speaking is one of the top fears, getting embarassed in public is pretty close to that.
DeleteNo shit, because if you remove the word rich it's a completely different statement.
DeleteAltman deserves less sympathy because he's rich. If sympathy is the main thing he's after, there's a simple way to fix that.
But obviously it's not. It's money and power. So yeah, no sympathy from me, and I assume many other people, for whatever issues he may be having.
Well said. Altman is continually choosing this path that brings him into the realm of public speaking. Altman could have chosen a different path, and can easily afforded the best, expensive, public speaking, and psychological counseling available..
DeleteI might of had some sympathy when he first started, and did not have money, but absolutely zero sympathy for his ''suffering'' from public speaking. Now if yuu said he had cancer, I would have some sympathy for him, but still less than your average working Joe, who will get significantly inferior care to someone as rich as Altman, and therefore be more likely to die as well.
Except I am pretty certain that you don't treat your friends that way. If one of your pals got a good job or wtv, do you tell him to fuck off when he comes to you with problems? Ofc not.
DeleteHim being rich is pretty irrelevant when hes getting flak for pretty normal shit that everybody else goes though.
"Altman deserves less sympathy because he's rich. If sympathy is the main thing he's after, there's a simple way to fix that."
Like what is this even supposed to mean? If one of his parents dies and you respond with "Good, fuck them, Altmans rich so whichever parent died deserved it. If altman wasn't rich, then I might have some sympathy for the man who just lost his father"? Like wtf is this logic. It's definitely not a sane, reasonable adults perspective.
It's not about him being rich so much as him being powerful.
DeleteYeah, I care more about my friends than people I don't know.
DeleteFor you friends' sake, I hope you do too.
But Altman is a few rungs below random people I don't know as well.
Unlike you, I don't fantasize about his parents dying, but I couldn't give a shit about his self-claimed internal demons.
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DeleteIKR? Better to have people who have no empathy towards anyone, because "at least they are not hypocrites".
DeleteWhy? Empathy is a limited resource. It's been well established that there is conditional and unconditional love and that's completely valid.
DeleteI mean, I can understand the downvotes. It is a pretty harsh opinion, in isolation, after all. What I truly cannot understand is the upvotes for the comment I'm replying to.
Delete"If you completely change the situation by assuming he's not rich, then your behavior would change as well. Can you explain that?"
Truly a baffling line of argument.
What a wild bootlicking response.
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