How 'She-Hulk' beat its toxic haters by making them the villains | Mashable.
How 'She-Hulk' beat its toxic haters by making them the villains
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| Laughing the haters away. Credit: Chuck Zlotnick |
The villain of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law isn't some cosmic evil or criminal mastermind. Instead, it's something far more sinister and far more real: a group of toxic, entitled men who call themselves Intelligencia and have devoted themselves to harassing and harming Jennifer Walters (Tatiana Maslany), aka She-Hulk.
Intelligencia's misogynistic arguments — Jen doesn't deserve her powers, why do we need another woman superhero, the Hulk is better anyway — are reminiscent not only of real-world sexism, but also of the toxic trolls She-Hulk faced throughout its release. So did She-Hulk anticipate its own detractors?
"1,000 percent," She-Hulk director Kat Coiro told Mashable in a video interview. "We knew we were going to come under fire." Before She-Hulk even aired, the show was review-bombed on sites like Rotten Tomatoes.
However, as the show went on and Intelligencia became more prominent, Coiro noted that the trolling appeared to decrease. "I felt like a lot of the negativity at the beginning has stopped," she said. "And I think it's partly because we acknowledge the negative people in the show."
Now if someone attempts to criticize She-Hulk through a misogynistic, trolling lens, they're basically situating themselves in the same camp as someone like Todd "HulkKing" Phelps (Jon Bass), which is just instantly humiliating.
"For them to send these negative messages, it really plays right into our hands and shows that we're one step ahead of them," Coiro explained. "So I don't think it's as satisfying for them."
Having Jen face off against villains like Intelligencia also opens She-Hulk up to exploring some very real and horrifying experiences women may endure. In episode 8, "Ribbit or Rip It," Intelligencia doxxes Jen at a gala before playing footage of her being intimate with a date — footage that was captured without her knowledge or consent. The MCU drawing attention to something as insidious and violating as revenge porn is surprising, yet wildly important, and Coiro was excited to use the platform of one of the biggest franchises in the world to raise awareness for this kind of issue.
"From the opening episode, where [Jen] talks about being a woman and dealing with anger and sexism every day to ["Ribbit or Rip It"], where she does experience a big betrayal to walking in an alley and being jumped by guys at night, we explore so many facets of what it means to be a woman and how difficult it is to be a woman," said Coiro.
On a personal level, Coiro found watching these experiences play out onscreen to be cathartic. "I was recently subjected to some pretty intense sexism, and [Jen's] words from the pilot echoed in my brain," Coiro said. "I deal with this on a daily basis, I deal with men condescending to me all the time. And it was awesome to have something discussing that in popular culture. Forget about me directing; watching the episode, I thought, 'Oh, I feel seen.'"
All episodes of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law are now streaming on Disney+.
I don’t know a single person that watches this show..
ReplyDeleteyour loss! I watch it too. Loved the finale episode.
Deletethey're all single, and still live with their mums.
Deletemy wife and i both watched it and loved it, i also am a fan of the comics, and i still have them.
DeleteI watch it.. I watch all the marvel shows, even the most filler episodes from Jessica Jones or Luke cage.. and this show is below average..
Deleteyet you did 🤔
Deletegood for you? Do you want a prize or a cookie? How bout the world smallest violin?
DeleteMe! 😃
DeleteWe are just showing you apparently your sample size is too small. Because we live all over the place and watch it.
DeleteHusband and I watched it every morning before I headed to work.
Deletedoesn’t that say more about you than the show? Never mind it’s a rhetorical question ICYMI
DeleteYou live in Arkansas, bud. How many people could you know?
DeleteI'm sure you don't. What does that prove?
DeleteAll of his partners who are also cousins.
Deleteyou literally sound like the hillbillies that think the election was “robbed” because they don’t know a single Biden voter.
DeleteCheck your friend list for trolls.
Deleteit’s terrific.
DeleteIt's in the top 10 most streamed shows. Maybe your pals are gaming too much.
Deletehas no friends
Deleteevery episode the day it comes put
DeleteLoved the show!
Deleteyou mean you are so judgemental that no one you know will say they watch the show.
Delete…too much lol.
Deleteyou know 1 now. Loved this show
Deleteare you surrounded by the villains then? Lol
Deleteeither his sample size is 2big
DeleteI really enjoyed the show.
ReplyDeleteProbably because, I don't view women leads or diverse casts as an attack on my male existence.
you need to be an actual male to feel attacked... 🤡 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Deletebeta behavior
DeleteBecause those same fans review bombed it before it ever released. So, yes, it's because it's a female led show. Just like they review bomb any female led show, often times before it ever actually releases.
DeleteThese articles are just preemptive PR to get people to watch.
Deletepeople attack you while whacking off?
DeleteDon't forget homophobe. That's one of their favorites
DeleteHow do you explain me then? I went in wanting to enjoy the show and gave up on it after three episodes. Half because the Marvel shows are a severe dip in quality, but the other reasons are the aforementioned ones I already said.
DeleteYou give the "toxic fans" too much credit. Sometimes complaints about a show are legitimate.
I haven't stopped anyone from responding to my comment.
DeleteI've never noticed any such thing.
DeleteI found the show entertaining. I don't pay attention to whatever diversity quota a show may or may not be filling unless it interferes with story. The only thing was that she seemed a bit too evenly matched with Hulk at times. And as we know, "Hulk is Strongest!"
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Deleteright? lol
Deleteno worse, you actually believe that is why people don’t like the show 😂
DeleteAnyone that disagrees with my comment, can express that.
Deletewhat about all the insults to men in the show literally at every given opportunity possible
DeleteThat's the most rational thing I've heard all day.
Deletegood?
DeleteYou're speaking about the one that everyone else is shouting. You can't cite the most prevalent complaint the people fighting for this show make and not expect to be called on it. If thats not how you feel, then that's dandy, but this post makes you appear less objective.
DeleteIts annoying. Hey if anyone dislikes this {show} youre [Racist or Mysognistic etc].
Deleteyes, but then why post something that has the potential to spark an arguments or criticism? Multiple ones judging by the responses you're getting.
DeleteSir, there's The Expanse which is a show with a substantial collection of strong female leads AND a diverse cast.
DeleteTHEN there's She-Hulk featuring a bitter, unlikable 30 something with a blatantly sexist view of men. Obvious not only by the writing and by how the showrunners chose how to respond to criticism. How is it that these days if a show isn't liked for some reason, it's ALWAYS because of toxic fans and not because the show just isn't very good?
😂😂😂 you think that is the problem with this show?
DeleteThere's multiple reasons why someone can dislike a show. I'm just speaking to one.
DeleteI view boring scripts as an attack on my free time.
DeleteWell I loved the show ...very amusing yet real in a very hulk type style
ReplyDeleteThe Hulk has actually been many things over many years. So weird how some fans get so reductive to insist on one narrow version for just about every character.
Deleteme mad, MCU Hulk not like real-life comic hulk, it not fair!!! Sebastian smash!!!!
DeleteHulk type style? I don't think you read much Hulk. Beside Norton, MCU has not gone close to representing what Hulk is really like in the comic.
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Deletedear Sebastian its a comic tv show ..not life... not important ... but I'm entitled to say I enjoyed it way better than most of the comic based drivel
DeleteHow did she beat anyone, when fans of good comic book shows stopped watching a long time ago? I’m all in on a good female protagonist, especially with a young daughter at home, but neither of us had any impulse to watch the show after a while. I think we stopped watching after the twerking episode. It’s just so boring. We liked Ms. Marvel, though. More of that.
ReplyDeleteIs that what they call it? It's funny that they blame the viewers instead of their horrible writing staff. These days Hollywood always blames the viewers for not liking whatever garbage fire of bad writing and bad acting they vomit out as if the fault couldn't possibly be their own.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the show enough even though I was never a She-Hulk comic fan, growing up. With that said, using excuses like racism or toxicity, or male insecurity as reasons why you, or something you like isn’t well accepted, is nothing short of gaslighting. Have a nice day.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you even saying?
Deleteplease read it again. It’s pretty straight forward.
DeleteYou know, pretending not to understand someone else’s insight, i.e “playing dumb”, does not invalidate another’s point.
I think you're misunderstanding that it wasn't about the folks who just don't like the show. It was about those trolls who are only complaining or against it because it's a woman. Because it's a super hero show about a woman. That does not make it a bad show. And calling out people for their misogyny is not gaslighting.
Deleteit is. Choosing to denigrate other’s opinions and feelings, by choosing foul descriptions for them in an attempt to reason the disregard of their negative feedback, is in fact gaslighting.
DeleteWhat is your point?
Deleteok, last time- in this specific example- vilifying that part of your audience that does not enjoy your show, in no way negates their opinions about it.
DeleteIt’s like calling someone stupid whom you do not agree with, and thinking, with that said- you won the argument.
Idiot vs sealion, fight of the year !
Deletewhen a person gives an obvious misogynistic opinion about a show before it even airs, and that person is referred to as being a misogynist as a result of said opinion it isn't a "foul description" "in an attempt to disregard their negative feedback", it is in fact an accurate description of their character, and the very reason for their review, that is NOT gaslighting, what you are doing IS gaslighting, by pretending that these opinions are just innocent things offered as constructive critique.
Deleteagreed. They have totally jumped the shark at this point.
Deleteit’s all about checks and balances imo when it comes to the different opinions of fandom
Delete"I felt like a lot of the negativity at the beginning has stopped," idk why the director thinks this is a good thing. Sounds like people just stop watching their show altogether, which kinda makes their show some sort of charity project by Marvel than anything serious.
ReplyDeleteI actually found this show much funnier and more entertaining than Friends. For a change a show that laughs at itself.
ReplyDeletelike the guy that tells a terrible joke and laughs at it himself cause no one else thinks it's funny?
Deleteyes. I actually liked She-hulk. Most shows on TV are horrible and it's the one show I actually looked forward to. I don't watch much modern programming. I much prefer 80s and 90s sitcoms
DeleteI loved everything about it, apart from the breaking of the walls between the story and the production.
ReplyDeleteEvery sane person, who is not a young child, knows it’s a made up story, however it doesn’t help the illusion of the MCU when you f**k with that.
Also I’d prefer if they released their series all at once so I could binge watch them. I remember a lot less that way, then I can binge it again in a year or so again.
I think that vast majority of people who doesn't like this TV show are simply not into what that TV show offer as they expected comic adaptation and company is vilifying them because there is few toxic and loud haters. The moment when company goes against their own customers, saying they are wrong for not liking what they made.... Well that's a good way how to loose them.
ReplyDeleteIs this the new America??? If you don’t like something now, there must be something wrong with you?? 🙄🙄
ReplyDeleteI mean, you simp a gang of murderers so
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DeleteBest I got? It's not a get, it's just facts. I am proving your point and mine flew right past you. And uh, if I call 911 it will be for paramedics or fire. I sure as hell don't want pigs around if my house is on fire or I need emergency medical attention
DeleteI saw what they were doing, and it was okay in the end, but they spent too many episodes trying to make the audience laugh *at* the main character rather than *with* the main character. I stuck with it because I expected there to be some payoff, and there was, sort of, but I know some life-long she-hulk fans who gave up on it four or five episodes in.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely one of the worst: poorly written, bad acting, meh storylines shows. It’s toxic to those who spent time watching it.
ReplyDeleteI was skeptical at first, but it was a really funny and enjoyable show with great cast and writing. It’s a comedy, so don’t be mad that it’s not serious or the Hulk or whatever, it is something different and I enjoyed watching it with my daughter.
ReplyDeleteDo they even have an audience? 🙄 Because I guess those who are being insulted by the actresses, showrunners, director and producers were supposed to be the audience 🙄 Did anyone watch this beside to review it?
ReplyDeleteSoooo, if you don’t like the show, it’s because of a woman lead?
ReplyDeleteGotta love the gaslighting.
Certainly can’t be because the show wasn’t entertaining and the CGI was garbage. Certainly not. 😑
Haters going to hate. I'm just confused on who is the 'hater' here.
ReplyDeleteI see She-Hulk was definitely a hit with the bots.
ReplyDeleteis a bot
DeleteProbably a good show but I stopped watching when they got waisted drunk on a show I thought was for the family.
ReplyDeleteIt's garbage, the script was so bad they actually had to do that, 30 min episodes with simply nothing. It only got views coz people wanted to see daredevil, they knew DD is the only USP of the show. Destroyed daredevil in the last episode also
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DeleteI liked 1, I liked 8 with DD. The rest of the show was really meh and IMDB episode scores show my view pretty much shared. Then 9 came out and it was a disgrace. Compare it to Blazing Saddles. That movie was great and goes gonzo at the end without disowning what came before. 9 ends disowning the really meh 7/9ths of their show. If they are agreeing with me how bad those shows were, why did they make them? Sarcasm to follow: Boy, I look forward to Season 2!!!
DeleteAlso, comparing them to Mel Brooks is like comparing Larry Bird to a JV sub-in. Lol
Deletesttie daredevil ke last episode a ovabe dekhe prochondo kosto hchhilo 😢
DeleteIt's completely self-defeating. Insulting most of the audience to go after a radical few led to the worse reported ratings of any of the Marvel shows, and so little so that even Maslany doesn't believe there will be a 2nd season. So basically, to prove a point, the show runner and her cadre essentially put hundreds of people out of work including themselves. Bravo indeed.
ReplyDeletePS: To those who want to lob accusations of being an incel and such, well enjoy season two. Oh wait. There won't be one. Whoops.
It didn't insult me, part of the audience. Weird that you wanna announce loudly that you're an incel
DeleteI really enjoyed She-Hulk but I love Tatiana Maslany. I first saw what a versatile actress she could be in Orphan Black and she certainly brought that to the Marvel Universe! I'm looking forward to her future endeavors!
ReplyDeleteThis show is a hit or miss. She-Hulk is banking on the presence of Hulk, Wong, Abomination and Daredevil. She-Hulk only given slight chance to carry her own show.
ReplyDeleteThe last episode was nuts. The bit where she Pops out of frame was bonkers. It felt like what the John Byrne comic would have done if it had been a TV show.
ReplyDeleteyou people are so easily amused with mediocre writing.. lol
Deletebe strong
DeleteIt's like, I want to create a completely different character, but bring the same viewer who likes the original story. Why don't they create a new one to preserve the original story as is? Crazy!
ReplyDeleteI'm not an huge marvel fan but this show is bad. Disney reached it's peak with the Marvel franchise at Avengers Endgame and than they started to take down the hill. Hope Wakanda Forever will change that.
ReplyDeleteLove the show. Whole family enjoys it.
ReplyDeleteI like the show…happy it’s getting a season two.
ReplyDeleteThe show is soooo bad
ReplyDeleteAttack back has never aided anyone, ether you settle the argument or try to humble out of it. This is how a lot of relationships gets their end when both parties doesn’t wanna back down.
ReplyDeleteIt was a little mundane, pedestrian, adagio…
ReplyDeleteShe Hulk is very average, bordering on terrible IMO. We sat through the first two episodes hoping it would get better…no one in the house will watch it any further and we are all Marvel fans.
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed the show and looking forward to season two.
ReplyDeleteIt’s not a show , it’s a CGI sitcom and with low quality writing and guest / characters
ReplyDeleteIt would have been better to let She Hulk stay in college and never pass the bar …
Or get a real woman ( plenty ) that can actually play the character .. and who look like she Hulk
no woman looks like She Hulk little dude.
Deleteyou are silly and live a small world… come to Las Vegas in December and you will see some beautiful and brilliant women . Extreme Physique Athletes
Deleteand don’t call me Dude ( that’s weird )
DeleteMe, reading these comments and some people missing the point that this about them.
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it’s the best laugh I’ve had all week.
DeleteI kinda dont know the single person who watches this show 😕
ReplyDeleteIt was a decent show. It didnt live up to the hype though and gender had nothing to do with it. The idea of another hulk was awesome but they keep on toning down anything hulk related. Smart hulk was fun but we need a smash and angry hulk. Then they really let abomination down. That first hulk gave us more than we could ask for with hulk vs abomination but the new hulk's are getting too soft
ReplyDeleteAmazing show its funny and entertaining, not suitable for weepers
ReplyDeleteMarvel is making multiple shots in the foot. Im not watching any movie, also more fan of DC.
ReplyDeleteAmazing show, loving it
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed it.was a nice change of pace for the mcu
ReplyDeleteme too, it was fun and a very different twist to the norm. Dare I say… FREE 🥳
DeleteI don’t know anyone whose told me they’ve watched this.
ReplyDeleteI’d really dislike for you to be selected for jury duty. You think the worst in people and I’m not sure why you hating on me. No one has mentioned this or brought it up with me
DeleteI Was Expecting a Royal Rumble until that KEVIN BS Scene Ruined it..then they introduced a New Hulk to try n Make Up which i Feelits Still Not Worthy of Season Finale..Ugh..Lazy Writing🤔...🤣
ReplyDeleteI loved the show
ReplyDeleteThis show made Fun of MCU fans and didn't have any plot line.
ReplyDeleteShe-Hulk is already bad cuz she's spawned from pandering 🤦🏽♂️
ReplyDeleteLove this show!
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