OpenAI's Studio Ghibli-inspired AI art provokes backlash across the internet.
OpenAI's Studio Ghibli-inspired AI art provokes backlash across the internet
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| Hayao Miyazaki, head in hands fr Credit: Photo by KATSUMI KASAHARA/Gamma-Rapho via Getty Images |
OpenAI released a new image generator this week, and AI-generated Studio Ghibli slop is now all over the internet.
In the livestream demo of the native image generation in ChatGPT and Sora, OpenAI took a selfie and asked the new generator to turn it into an anime frame. The result looked a lot like art from a Studio Ghibli film. It went viral, despite some social media users pointing out the potential copyright violations. All the while, Hayao Miyazaki, the co-founder of Studio Ghibli, has been vocally disgusted by the use of AI in art.
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In a clip from the 2016 documentary series Never-Ending Man: Hayao Miyazaki, the director behind classics like Spirited Away and My Neighbor Totoro, said of AI: "Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself."
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But the internet doesn't all agree that fury and disgust is the only response. Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, changed his profile photo to a Ghibli-style photo of himself.
Many users on X have also been using the tool to create their own Studio Ghibli-style "art" and memes.
While the new image generator in ChatGPT has been lauded by some for its ability to mimic distinct visual styles, its impact raises key questions about the fine line between innovation and infringement — especially when it comes to the outspoken desires of artists like Miyazaki.
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A big fan of this man, can understand what he is feeling.
ReplyDelete"Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.".. Hayao Miyazaki
ReplyDeletehttps://scontent.fpoa2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.1997-6/70104243_489739395196378_2226300219186741248_n.png?stp=cp0_dst-png_s110x80&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=23dd7b&_nc_ohc=4odPpkRV2UQQ7kNvgHHdZME&_nc_oc=Adn1qMJSspZ1xLqnlCtjXiuqlve9J5Ivaf0_Op5nbU540PvEXyLpyQwTPsmpwCrpaU8&_nc_zt=26&_nc_ht=scontent.fpoa2-1.fna&_nc_gid=Zra65WBnOI8fLHIv_3i7Jg&oh=00_AYFrzaIsTgvSHLwZtpooVn9Wx3Xk9keXknyNcxFKolH8uA&oe=67ED1E7E
DeleteI think he's thinking about this mainly because he's Asian, and Asians tend to be hard-working people.
ReplyDeleteThink about it: you work hard your whole life to do what you do, to achieve the goal you're working towards, and then out of nowhere, AI comes along and does your job like it's nothing. Like it's easy, like it doesn't mean anything, you know what I mean?
you have a point
DeleteAi is theft.
ReplyDeleteMiyazaki is correct.
ReplyDeleteSeeing AI mimic Studio Ghibli’s iconic art so convincingly is… unsettling. Not because it isn’t technically impressive—but because it mimics without meaning. It recreates the surface, but not the years of thought, heartbreak, culture, discipline, and love that shaped the original.
ReplyDeleteGhibli isn’t just a “style.” It’s a lived philosophy. A human pursuit.
And if this is the direction we’re headed—where aesthetics are scraped, synthesized, and repackaged without the artist’s consent—what message are we sending to the next generation of creators?
Why spend years developing a voice, when machines can clone the output in seconds?
If society wants truly original art in the future, we need to protect the artists today. Style is not a template. It’s earned. And it should be defended.
Even before AI, if one make use of a famous artist's work for defamatory purposes, they could be sued. Some of these are coined "homage" but the boundary is blurry.
ReplyDeleteBut being a long-time fan of his work, I think it's more than just the art style that makes it great - a many human Japanese or global animators tried imitating his work, with limited success (unfortunately includes none other than his own son). I still believe there are something left in a role of the creative process which distinguish from the imitation and the real deal.
Ban generative AI
ReplyDeletesure
DeleteHonestly, your lips to god's ears or whatever, but I think the only way it is going out is to make it wildly unprofitable to use, since money is the only language these people speak.
Deleteit makes people dumb and rely on someone else's work
ReplyDelete昨日からChatGPT で自分のアイコンをジブリ風とか藤子不二雄風とかで画像生成している人が後を絶たないけれど、それを無邪気にSNS に流すのは著作権侵害に当たるんじゃないのかな、と思ってたら、やっぱり問題になってるみたいやな。というか、なんで、Facebook やX はこれをブロックしないのかな？そしたら、気づくだろうに。
ReplyDelete日本一アニメに詳しい岡田斗司夫氏の2022年の動画が興味深いです
Deletehttps://youtu.be/qvdziP3lYyE?si=cgHZZ_zr7ysyeT5g
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ReplyDeletelol I love the caption–"an insult to life itself!" 😂
DeleteIt feels like a soulless paper doll to me 😑
DeleteIt's so sad! And I wish there was a way to make AI without stealing the work and talent of real humans. 🙁 Open AI has billions of dollars, they can pay someone to make them an art style.
DeleteHayao Miyazaki can't sue them?
ReplyDeleteThat's a provocative perspective, sparking valuable discussions around AI's role in creativity.
ReplyDeleteIn this case I am on his side, but "Hayao Miyazaki Hates Something" isn’t exactly a shocking headline.
ReplyDeleteI can say one thing for sure - that man didn't hate smoking.
Delete"didn’t"
DeleteJesus man, you scared the hell out of me. Why’d you use past tense??
Right lol. Almost thought the cigarettes got him.
DeleteMy stomach literally dropped for a couple seconds, the world is such a hot mess right now that seeing he passed would be enough to make me cry the rest of the night. Goddamnit has the man earned his ciggies though.
DeleteI can see the headline now, Elderly Chain-smoking Workaholic Japanese Man Literally Too Angry to Die
DeleteOld man with crippling nicotine addiction so angered at viral social media post that he comes out of retirement for the 10th time to make another banger movie about anti-capitalism and the joy of human experiences
DeleteA frail yet fiercely determined old man, his hands trembling as he lights yet another cigarette, finds himself consumed by rage after stumbling upon a viral social media post that gnaws at his deeply rooted ideals. Wrinkled fingers clutch the lighter tighter as the spark reignites not only his nicotine addiction but the fire within his soul. Fueled by indignation and an unwavering passion, he defies his age and steps out of the shadows of retirement—for the tenth time—determined to craft yet another cinematic masterpiece. This time, his lens sharpens on the dualities of life: a scathing critique of capitalism’s cold grip and an evocative celebration of the intimate, fleeting joys that make us human. He returns to the director’s chair, a weathered artist with nothing left to prove but everything left to say, pouring the entirety of his tumultuous spirit into one final magnum opus.
DeleteNow to make it into a Miyazaki movie:
DeleteA frail yet fiercely determined old man, his hands trembling as he lights yet another cigarette infused with enchanted nicotine—rumored to be hand-rolled by forest witches with questionable hygiene—finds himself consumed by rage after stumbling upon a viral social media post. This post, crafted by mischievous cyber-elves during their coffee break, pokes fun at his magnum opus from decades ago, calling it “a nice nap movie.” Wrinkled fingers clutch a lighter that doubles as a magical artifact—it once accidentally set his beard on fire during a heated argument with his talking cat, who now serves as his passive-aggressive assistant director.
Fueled by indignation and enchanted smoke (he still coughs like a dying dragon), he defies his age and steps out of the shadows of retirement—for the tenth time. Summoning an absurd crew of celestial muses, chaotic pixies, and one sarcastic sentient boom mic, he dives into crafting his next masterpiece. This time, his lens sharpens on the fantastical dualities of life: an interstellar critique of capitalism’s galactic grip and a heartfelt celebration of the joy found in forbidden celestial dances, like waltzing with a jellyfish king under the light of three moons.
Amidst dragons that keep stealing his cigarettes, pixies that won’t stop cracking jokes about his ancient wardrobe, and a starship-shaped coffee pot that constantly leaks, he returns to the director’s chair. A weathered artist with nothing left to prove but everything left to say, he embarks on creating one final magnum opus that somehow mixes stardust, rage, and just a little bit of unintentional slapstick. Each frame glimmers with passion—and occasionally, the accidental appearance of his cat licking itself in the background.
if youve seen the original clip, hayao miyazaki was talking about an a.i. walking simulator that was designed to be creepy and use long spindly black legs. his employees were like "we can use this to animate creepy monster characters" and hayao miyazaki was like "this is a mockery of life itself"
ReplyDeleteit had nothing to do with chatgpt or generative ai in general
The video specifically was about how the ai doesn't prioritize any specific body part for walking, and they showed an example iirc of a body using it's head like a big foot to walk on and how it's very unsettling. Miyasaki likens it to his physically disabled friend who can't move in a typical manner, whose movements may looks strange, and how using strange ways of moving as horror is a mockery of life.
Deletecommon miyazaki w
Deleteohhhhhh
DeleteThe video is over 10 years old but definitely worth watching the two animators reactions as Miyazaki shreds them.
DeleteSo just not a criticism of AI, but a criticism of grotesque imagery.
DeleteI think he kind of missed the point but these animators presented their point very badly.
That’s how I interpreted the clip to, but I also thought there might have been some nuance lost in translation
Deletepeople are the worst.
ReplyDeleteHumanity is hot trash
ReplyDeleteSo, the images being generated are clearly in the Ghibli style. Can Studio Ghibli not simply sue OpenAI into oblivion?
ReplyDelete*Edit-- To those saying that you cannot copyright style, my point is that the AI model was clearly trained on the works of Ghibli which are indeed copyrighted works and IP.
Style is not protectable IP
DeleteThey need to have patent for it
DeleteIn that case they can sue people drawing things in Ghibli style too
DeleteIt’s no different than the lawsuits already happening.
DeleteI hope the Nippon Television Network Corporation and Studio Ghibli sues the absolute pants off of these assholes.
ReplyDeleteIf we're expanding the us of "AI art" beyond generative AI to stuff like this, then every bit of animation from the past decade has been AI art
ReplyDeleteMiyazaki is a true artist and I hope that AI will fail to compete. It isn’t just the artwork, it is his imagination to come up with unique worlds. AI may generate this too and it may be incredibly compelling. But I don’t think it can force out human imagination.
ReplyDeleteI thought he was talking about his son until I read the whole thing
ReplyDeleteOne non controversial opinion out of nearly a trillion from this guy.
ReplyDeleteI always find this quote semi-annoying.
ReplyDeleteCause he said it in a video while talking about a widely accepted technology that isn't even AI; procedurally generation, something that's been in games and animation for well over 30 years.
I agree with him AI is bad as he ironically wasn't even talking about AI when he said it.
I'm afraid of what happens when fewer new artists emerge. Without the art they produce, AI artwork can never grow. If it becomes perfect to the point that we don't want to train and pay new artists, it could mean a genuine halt in artistic advancement.
ReplyDeleteAI art is an ouroborous that could cause us to lose something very important if the costs and benefits of use are not carefully weighed out.
Miyazaki is right.
ReplyDeleteBut goddamn if this thing isn’t properly hilarious and good for a laugh.
Directly above this post (for me) is a bunch of ghibli style iconic movie shots!
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ReplyDeleteYou were a mistake.
DeleteNothing is resurfacing. He said this stuff 8 years ago
ReplyDeletethat's literally what "re"surfacing means?
DeleteYou’re right, I was mistaken. I thought it was saying his disdain was resurfacing, but it was talking about his past comments
DeleteInstead of feeling admired and appreciated, he feels insulted and robbed… What a legacy he created and what an amazing impact his works has (and will have) on shaping our future. I hope he can see how beautiful it is. I’m so grateful for his work, and converting my precious family memories in ghibli style is just so magical.
ReplyDeleteBecause it’s insulting. He feels insulted because it’s insulting.
DeleteHow dare he feel insulted over this insult
DeleteI’m inclined to agree. He has been vocal about the lifelessness of AI before
DeleteIt's insulting because there is no talent or skill involved. If you took the time to remake your images this way, that would be fine, and he would probably be flattered at that, but making generative slop like this, by taking the style he is known for, its such an insulting thing to do to any artist. This is their skill, their passion, and it took years to get to this level. To have someone just use AI to RIP OFF YOUR ART STYLE isn't flattering at all. Because AI art isn't made from nothing they are using his style as a base. It's theft, plain and simple. Tributes and homages are only flattering when the time and energy is put into them to show appreciation for the artist
DeleteId also feel insulted if people shat all over my lives work. His work already impacted us, making a mockery out of it with ai isnt appreciating it its insulting it putting it on the same pedestal as a plagiarisim machine. I doubt they asked studio ghibli if they were alowed to use their work to train the ai.
Deletethey worked with artists for over a year to make their new image model. I’m sure they made sure to not use copyrighted material and simply asked artist to use their art style ( one of many. In less than a decade all this discussion will have absolutely 0 impact. Embrace ai now, or get lost behind.
DeleteHe put intentionality and care into every frame he animated - a series of choices he agonized about in an attempt to achieve perfection.
DeleteWhat you have done is not a homage, but a type of rape. You should respect his wishes.
If you don’t want people or ai copying your work: don’t release it. This possession mindset is soon to disappear, simply because it is unstoppable. Humans have always copied and it is what makes us improve generation over generation. I totally get how he feels, but you and me know it is futile and there is no going back…
DeleteReminder that the original clip is about Miyazaki watching some monster crawling on the ground, animated by AI, and how it's offending him because whoever made it "knows no pain" and compares the monster to a disabled friend of his, who also struggles to move around. Th-thanks Miyazaki.
ReplyDeleteIt was a really good observation on Miyazaki's part. He is telling the students that their work is insensitive and removed from the actual study of learning animation. If they want to learn how to animate how a creature with no arms moves and adapts, they should spend time with and animating someone who lives that way now. It was the complete lack of humanity and interest in the craft that seemed to set him off.
DeleteThat is hilariously ableist and completely contrary to humanity.
Delete"Hey man, we need to animate this monster thing that looks grotesque and crawls around like it's begging for death. Can we base it off you?"
That is exactly his point, yes. Which is why he calls it a mockery in the first place. The students created an abstraction of suffering with no understanding of suffering and showed it to him with giddy little smiles, which he saw as insulting.
DeleteNot a single person that defends AI understands art. And it feels like the support for AI becomes more and more accepted by people, a very sad thing to witness, soulless even.
DeleteAs soon as y'all are done huffing your own farts you should probably watch the video (https://youtu.be/ngZ0K3lWKRc?si=h8FGmb2Pjc3lNMFc)
Deleteeveryone is talking about.
This isn’t about generative AI, this is just a randomized animation creator. Stuff like this has existed for a long time and, yes, actually helped creating animation.
Eh, I can see why it can be seen as insensitive, but Miyazaki isn't exactly wrong here. Art is a reflection of reality. Whether it's actually portrayed as ableist depends entirely on the context and story the art is placed in and little else. If anything, having an honest representation of the realities of a painful disability can be welcomed. Of course, the manner in which you ask your disabled friend and the relationship you already have with them matters hugely as well.
DeleteHe’s an asshole, but an asshole with values
ReplyDeleteWell his strict adherence to his values are why we think of him as an asshole
DeleteI’m in considering that one of his animators spent nearly one year doing a three second animation. Goddamn, he’s lucky. He’s not in television anymore because from what I heard movie productions are more “easier than TV” And that is a large assumption
Deletehttps://www.reddit.com/r/animenews/comments/1iieq1g/whats_wrong_with_falling_in_love_with_a_12yearold/
DeleteI wonder who is looking and asking for AI in this industry. Could it possibly be the fans at large, the artist, writers?
ReplyDeleteOh wait no it’s the executives, production and the people who stand to gain from shortcuts of quality to maximize profits.
AI in the anime industry is an insult, the artist, to the writers, to the voice actors, to the translators, to the fans.
I want AI if it can do a better job than humans or is a mundane annoying task that doesn’t contribute much to the end product.
DeleteLocalization will be slop either way and the AI won’t brag on socials about doing a shit job.
Minor background crowds too distant to be focus in the frame? If animators don’t want to do stealth cameos of characters from other IPs and there is QC done before calling it the end product? Yes.
If the best human hands can do is equivalent to late seasons of 7 deadly sins of early s2 blue lock? Yes.
DeleteIn a perfect Star Trek world sure. Ai would be used to help mankind cut out the junk tasks we don’t like. Use it to aid us.
However we don’t live in that timeline. We live in capitalism timeline where Ai is being used to cut out a skilled workforce. To bring bigger profits and cut labor. To replace talented unique individuals to save $$
If we start as fans to think that it’s ok to let them. Then they will absolutely push it. I don’t want Ai nor wish it to be used in anime more. I want an artist, not a shitty Ai copy and interpretation of art.
It will never do a better job at making art than humans. It is not capable of making art.
DeleteAnd that is the most sad part about all of this, to most average joes,they can tell the difference,or rather just don’t care enough. And that is exactly what executives are hoping for. And will most likely get.
DeleteSome of those ghibli-style images were already nicer looking than a huge amount of human-made images. Imagine in 10 years? It will be indistinguishable from what humans make. That’s a fact
DeleteThat's the thing. To you they may be more nicer looking than most human images, but the entire point of art is that a person put effort into making it. Good animation is so impressive because you know there are people out there who knew how to animate like that, and did so. Good illustrations are so impressive because you know someone out there spent years learning to draw at that level.
DeleteIt doesn't matter if AI images looks nice. That's the thing. It can make better images than a person, yes, but not being made by a person removes the image's value entirely; this is why AI art will never surpass human art. Same thing with AI music that sounds far better than anything a Garageband user would make. Same thing with masterpieces written entirely by ChatGPT.
I don't think we can generalize it that way. Sure, there are executives and production people who are looking for AI. But then, there are also tons of others who are utilizing the platform, some WITHOUT realizing the damage that it might do.
DeleteEdit: Wait, is it just anime industry. Then yes your statement good. I don't see any artists calling for use of AI. They might be a silent minority for all I know.
Ignorance of the consequences that using AI brings doesn’t excuse them from the criticism or the consequences themselves.
DeleteThere’s a reason so many voice actors in the guild are on strike. because they’re asking for protections from AI.
The corporate side would much rather use AI for his many seats as they can fill. They don’t have to pay benefits. They don’t have to worry about schedules. They don’t have to hear somebody complain about 80 hours a week. House sleeping in their office is bad for their health.
AI an attempted cost cutting measure so they can pad the bottom line and still have a product.
Spanish speaking anime fas are somewhat at war right now because many want to end the "dub mafia" by replacing voices with AI, but convenient ignoring the part where that would do the same to usa and jp dubs
DeleteAs a native Spanish speaker and someone who is flying in Spanish and English. I think it’s a stupid idea and I’ve told them as such if the topic comes up. Moment you give the Ai an inch. The company breaks out a hard stick and tires to wedge it in there.
DeleteYou’re right that they won’t stop with Spanish and Ai. They will attempt to shoehorn it everywhere they can.
I will say Spanish dubs while good. Could use some fresh new talent.
I can't access the site due to a firewall but is this the one where he talks about how its making fun of disabled people or something about pain?
ReplyDeleteYes, so I don’t know why it’s linked to the use of AI. It’s not like Studio Ghibli hand draws everything (not since Princess Mononoke) or doesn’t rely on the newest tools for production
DeleteI hate all of this A.I. stuff. It is soulless.
ReplyDeleteIt has already reached a point where you can't even distinguish AI-made art from human art
DeleteIf they look exactly the same, how are you supposed to define its "soul"?
You can still tell them apart but you might need to be an artist to make the difference. You can take a look at some stuff and notice that no real artist would actually do a weird shading/line work like that.
DeleteI was reading a book about how visual novels are able to move players in an effective way. One concept that the author brought up was how everything in those games are intentionally there by the creators of those visual novels. Every single line drawn, every single line written, every single note composed, and every single sound created was made by a human with a vision and intention in mind. This not only applies to visual novels but to all art and stories ever made by humans. Humans are very intentional when creating this stuff. It is why analysis is a big thing about art. Questions such as what does the artist/author mean by that thing? Or how does the authors/artists use of x thing contribute to the work itself. Essentially everything that is asked is related to the authors/artists intention. And this because the author/artist had an intention. Had an idea when creating a piece of work. Again every single little thing was done by the artist and what they artist was thinking is being translated on there.
DeleteBut with AI all of that is gone. Not everything is intentional anymore. This is the soul that is being lost. A machine is now adding random details that may or may not make sense. The machine has no ideas or vision. You tell it what to do and it will use an algorithm to determine the best possible outcome. There is no creativity. There is no intentionality from the machine. A fundamental thing about computer since is that computers are dumb. They only listen to a predetermined set of instructions. You feed it data and it will spit out an output based on an algorithm. The vision of the author is gone because not everything is being made down to every last pixel by an artist. The machine will only understand a general and broader understanding, but it will not understand the nuances and little things of the author and writer. Whether it is the use of imagery, literary devices, themes, etc. None of that can be done by an AI. If you ever ask someone that created something from AI about a particular detail of the work, they will never be able to answer it accurately. Compared to a person who created a work, they will be able to tell you everything they were thinking about that work (examples are directors commentary, composer notes in certain OSTs like CLANNADs OST, or even artist notes on an art piece).
There are probably more things I didn’t mention (such as the use of language for example). But essentially AI is robotic. AI has no intention between every action. It is just obeying its script. The computer is not deciding anything.
You really don’t know how advanced ai art is now then. I’m a professional artist and I used to be able to consistently identify the tells but I’m now seeing art that I would have never guessed.
DeleteEven I'm impressed by AI art of individual subjects. However AI still has a long way to go for consistency.
DeleteFor example, you see those galleries with 50 generations of the same characters, and the details are all over the place.
AI animation is also ironically somehow more stilted than even Record of Ragnarok.
So AI still has a LONG way to go. But it is cool how the finger issue is mostly fixed if people know the right model to use.
Right, because those examples are the most obvious online. What you’re not seeing is ai replacing commercial designs, such as:
DeletePatterns and prints on products/advertisements/packaging/etc. Logo designs. Believable stock photos, fake product and food and clothing photos on websites and in magazines. Graphic design on products themselves. Graphics in tv commercials. Design in online advertising. Illustrations and paintings and graphics within tv programs and movies. Novel covers, their interior art, advertising for them. Art and design for tabletop games, fantasy books, trading card games. Advertising for events and music releases. Album covers. Mobile game art and ads. Assets and art in video games. Replacement for video game and movie concept art. It’s flooded artist spaces, swamping small businesses that made designs for t shirts mug mousepads etc etc. Artist spaces at conventions with prints and character merchandise. General wall art and framed prints. Then there are all the scams selling art lessons using ai or just a concept/product that doesn’t even exist.
Often the ai art that is discussed online is what is noticeable, obvious, not what is easy to miss in our day to day lives. I have access to the midjourney website and see the most believable photorealistic skincare advertisement images generated, seamless floral patterns for products, believable oil paintings where I can’t spot the flaws, logos, etc etc etc. It’s already being used everywhere, more than most people and even artists realize. And it’s already taken so many of these jobs, all this work that real people used to do.
What’s crazy to me as well is how many people defend AI, which is literal bootlicker ideology supporting millionaire and billionaire companies hoarding even more wealth at the top through what has been directly stolen from our peers, enabling them to hire less citizens and put less money back into the economy. Even if these people don’t care about the environmental impacts or even about art itself you’d think with how much they spout about “illegals stealing our jobs” they’d care about this. But it’s hypocrisy all the way down, unfortunately. You can’t argue with cultism and the worshiping of the wealthy elite.
Anyways that’s a side tangent, ultimately I’d love for more people to become educated in just how shockingly advanced and prevalent AI has become, and that it’s going to only increase in its use in all of these things I’ve listed. Sorry I’ve popped off in the comments of “anime news” of all things lmao
Lol, all good. I understand the feeling of wanting to go off on a tangent because you have information to contribute. Always happy to be more informed.
DeleteI agree with the, "danger" (downplaying it) of giant companies and interests getting/having their hands on AI and what that means for everyone else who isn't at least multi-millionaire. You can just look at the internet as an example of that. Remember what the internet was like before it just became another ad machine?
It really is crazy how few ads there were back in the day eh? Things felt like they could exist without being the most aggressively optimized monetized marketed slop humanly possible in the endless chase for infinite profit.
DeleteAnd on that note, ads back then were more entertaining and creative. While now, ads are about quantity rather than quality. This circles back to your AI point in advertising. It's no longer about making a good ad that people may enjoy but rather flooding every possible space with awareness to your product without actually trying to sell said product. And it works somehow. I can't remember the last time an ad sold me a product. Now I only buy based on recommendations from people who's opinion I trust.
DeleteSorry, probably just said the same thing you did but more words.
What if it is used by an artist or manually tuned by an artist? Where do you draw the line?
DeleteEithout even touching on all the ways that this could hurt your own development as an artist, being an artist doesn't allow you to use tools that use other artists work for training without permission.
DeleteMost artists start off by mimicking some others work. a.k.a. "inspiration". Think how you draw your first fruit pic. Did you not see a drawing by your teacher and then follow? Besides, plenty of art work is in the public domain. Mona Lisa has no copyright.
DeletePublic domain doesn't equal a company should be able to just take your art and use it for commercial purposes. Sharing your art on the internet means you're allowing people to see and take inspiration, not allowing some company to just grab it and do whatever with it. And cool, they can just use Mona Lisa without touching artists who are currently trying to make a living off of their art.
DeleteAnd also, no machines don't learn the same way as humans. Sure when an artist starts off, the main thing that they do will be mimicry. But even in their mimicry, there will be more than just seeing and copying. They will still incorporate their feelings into that art. Their emotions and thoughts. Over time as they grow, they will learn more advanced concepts. Anatomy, perspective, color theory, lighting, composition, etc. Things that generative AI will never learn.
I see tons of real art get mistaken for AI art because of the common mistakes and shortcuts artists tend to take that no one was scrutinizing before. People are fucking terrible at telling AI art from real art.
DeleteCan ai replicate hand drawn animation w all its quirks?
DeleteOr just the more digital less lifeless stuff of today?
Intent.
DeleteA lot of AI just mimic style but doesn't understand it. You get a bunch of wide eyed rounded cartoon characters, but that's it.
They don't intend the ocean to show the vastness of the heart, or the view down a chasm where you can't even perceive the bottom.
It's watching a music video where the editors put up images of things that's mentioned in the lyrics rather than the subtext of the song.
A.I is the future you can't fight progress it just best to regulate it and use as a tool like you would a digital art pad
DeleteAnd that's the problem, AI can be easily regulated, but WILL they regulate it? Especially after hundreds of billions of investments into AI, even the US government have invested in it. Sadly, I don't think they'd care about an anime art style.
DeleteExcept a digital art apd didn't replace an artist with a text box on a website. It's not even comparable.
DeleteAnd the digiral art pad didn't plagiarize work.
You realize plagiarism has existed since the beginning of human civilization, just like racism and prostitution and neither of those other two are going away anytime soon so that's always going to be a problem whether A.I exists or not
DeleteExcept the language models are exclusively plagiarism machines.
DeleteAnd don't equate plagiarism with racism and prostitution man. None of those 3 are comparable to the others.
Just cause a problem would exist anyways is not a reason to ignore a problem. That's just laziness.
DeleteI agree things are doomed and we likely can’t fight this, Pandora’s box is already opened. However thinking it can be regulated and your other talking points about players and you excusing it are the talking points of the millionaire and billionaire companies profiting off this theft of your peers, justifying being able to hoard even more of their wealth and hire even less citizens. That’s bootlicker talk to me.
DeleteDo you prefer the power fantasy, harem, slave owner or all three together Isekais instead
DeleteIf it's written well, sure. Tropes and tags aren't the end all be all of stories, it depends on the writer
Delete"AI is a mistake."
ReplyDelete-- Miyazaki Hayao, probably
AI “art” is an abomination, and an insult to real artists
ReplyDeleteSeems inevitable that AI will be involved in most things in the future. It's unsettling how people want to use it to save money while eliminating jobs, where will people even work if it gets too good?
ReplyDeleteHoping that AI stuff will be able to keep working in tandem with real people without killing jobs. Otherwise originality, "soul", and employment rates will be hurting even more.
I can't imagine feature length ai genned anime ever being good if people can just type in a general plot and an algorithm just spits out an hour and a half of content that borrowed anime episodes and movies (who knows what else) that were fed into it.
I’d like to see a world in which some poor kid in a third world country can make something that competes with top Japanese manga artists. The variety and complexity of stories will grow much like when the printing press was invented.
DeleteThis doesn’t help corporations. It hurts them and enables the little guy to enter the competition. Eventually you’ll have amateurs making Hollywood quality movies in their basement and I fail to see how that’s a bad thing.
It doesn't though it just oversaturates the market causing people who put actual time and work into their projects to get overlooked.
Deletesincerely from an artist livelyhood who has been affected by AI
This is true. If anyone wants to look at a good example just look at western gaming. Ever since the creation of Unreal Engine every game has been touted to look the same.
DeleteSome professions aren't meant to last. This happens in abundance historically
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ReplyDeleteIt would boil anyone's piss to be a true artisan drawing on decades of experience to really capture a feeling, a true emotion, a reflection of the human experience and for some literally and figuratively soulless machine to shit out something in your distinctive style without a shred of that humanity.
Ghibli has a unique style, but it's not the style itself that's special its the thought, emotion and passion put into it. To ape it like that is beyond insulting.
Well said to the legend! 🫡
ReplyDeleteWe aren't getting rid of Ai. It's here to stay. It will allow kids who can't draw, who can't animate, to do whatever their imagination wants.
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ReplyDeleteI came across the video where Miyazaki compliments an artists who worked on a crowd scene for more than a year. It was only a few seconds long. That's how long it takes to draw a crowd by hand up to Studio Ghibli's standards. If I remember correctly, the animator tried to brush off Miyazaki's praise, saying his scene only lasted a few seconds. Miyazaki said, "but it was worth it."
It's one of those things where just because AI can do it doesn't mean it should.
Oh my sides. It's hilarious. Reddit insults Japanese studios and bring the 'goodness' of 3D versus 'slavery-like' full animation every time they can't.... but AI, that is even easier, is outrageous??
ReplyDeleteAI threatens their jobs and the sweatshops in the East do not. Simple as.
DeleteYes, because 3D is just another animation tool that can be applied in different ways, and is usually to actually create, not just steal and copy what already exists. Anyone who treats 3D and AI as if they are the same thing is nothing more than a moron.
Deletethat video is 10 years old and quote is out of context
ReplyDeleteBruh. This is misleading title. This is... "An insult to truth itself".
ReplyDeleteWhat Miyazaki criticized is because someone, maybe his student, learning animation by looking at a generated movement. Miyazaki hates it because that is an insult to life when you try to ignore the real life of people with disability by learning reference from completely make up AI animation.
It may be hard to grasp for people who are not in art field, but you can view it like this. There is music software, why people learn piano? Because they want to play piano. There is machine translator, but people still learn new language to immerse themselves in the culture.
Hence, for learning artwork, you effective learn the movement of life, the meaning of life symbolism.
Studying animation from tracing AI generated movement is like studying law through fake courts. That is, in fact, "an insult to life."
It's hilarious that people are yelling at one another like crabs in a bucket for taking bits of enjoyment out of this technology while they can
ReplyDelete…b-but it’ll give staff more chances to direct things! 😜
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ReplyDeleteThe point still stands.
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