I can't see any features in there that I haven't got three times over in other apps. And by not using Twitter, this XChat thing, or owning a Tesla, I have the bonus of having nothing to do with this odious man.
It's not Twitter anymore, it will never be Twitter again, and we all know what X is nowadays. Stop with this whole "formerly known as Twitter" nonsense. It's been years, get over it, it's X now.
Built on Rust? What does that mean - it's not a platform, it's a language - built with/in/using Rust would make sense? "Any type of file"? It's hard to understand what that means - my email can send "any type of file" because file type isn't a significant thing that causes issues - I also look forward to sending my obscure ".obscure" file type files at long last?! And "bitcoin style" encryption (as others have said) means very little and is probably the most important thing we need to understand before trusting the encryption... If, Elon, you're taking the time to say nothing at all on your communication platform about how you're "improving" said communication channel, perhaps you need to have a long hard think about how to do it in a way that passes a basic "value" test to readers.
I hope they sue him, although given that this site hasn't been updated since 2015 and apparently can't get an SSL certificate I'm guessing it's no longer being maintained.
It means all of your messages will be posted in an annoymized method on the block chain through an NFT for each message. You can then sell these messages based on the value of them that Grok AI will assess to make a new .com website.
otherwise I have absolutely nothing and words don’t mean anything and buzzwords are fun
Elon has relatively low technical knowledge, less than one would expect from a person in such a position.
Public-key cryptography is involved in bitcoin, just like in all blockchain but also in SSL (https and certificates stuff). PKC has two major ways to be used: to encrypt stuff so only the owner of the private key can decrypt, and sign stuff in a way that everyone can verify that the owner of the private key has signed. Both without disclosing the private key.
Bitcoin (the blockchain in fact) makes extreme use of the second one. The chain is (in a simplified way) a series of signed entries in a ledger. Each link in the chain is signed by someone.
If that was encrypted, no one in the world would be able to read the ledger. Bitcoin is not encrypted or at least it is not an essential part of it. But the signature part of it relies on very strong cryptography. It is nearly impossible to forge a ECDSA signature without being in possession of the private key. Nearly impossible like requiring more computing power than we can use in a boatload of years.
So XChat will use ECDSA. Ok. HTTPS also use ECDSA. SSH too. Not really novel.
I’m guessing he means blockchain technology. Everyone who uses it will basically be like a miner on the network and will store each post like a transaction. Every 10 minutes a new block will be created, and it will take more computing power than what’s already on the network to perform an attack. There would be no incentive to attack the network, because if you wanted to change one post you would have to spend tons of money on chips and electricity.
LOL. Seriously, this would be amazing. Not because it's good, but because blockchain technology is an absolute scam and this will accelerate X's failure. I hope you're right so that X can fail and pave the way for Nostr's bright future.
What do you mean blockchain technology is a scam? It’s absolutely genius, when was the last time Bitcoin was hacked? When was the last time a big bank was hacked?
And while we're on the subject, most shitcoins could use a database and accomplish the same thing that they're doing, they're just trying to use Bitcoin's technology to affinity scam people along the way by using new and sexy buzzwords.
What kind of a database is more secure than blockchain technology? And you haven’t answered my previous question. Have you read the white paper for Bitcoin that describes how the blockchain works. It’s one of the greatest technological discoveries in modern history.
Dude. Yes I read it 16 years ago. I'm a Bitcoiner. I'm a Bitcoin Maximalist. I'm trying to tell you that you don't say Crypto or you don't say Blockchain Technology. These things are affinity scams. It's Bitcoin and nothing else.
I know, me too. But I still don’t know why you think blockchain technology is a scam. Can you elaborate? And when did I use Bitcoin and crypto synonymously so I can go back and edit my post? I’m a maxi too and would never do that.
Not all crypto is encryption. Public key crypto is different and solves a different problem. So Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. Unless we are talking about v2 P2P communications in Bitcoin Core, but that's an implementation detail.
WTF are you talking about? Bitcoin uses public key cryptography. In order to send bitcoin, you have to sign the transaction with the private key that corresponds to the public key of the UTXO being sent.
Exactly. Public key crypto is not encryption. It's a different kind. There is no data being obscured through encryption. Everything is public and all of the data needed is included.
As the previous commenter said cryptography is not only encryption. Bitcoin uses public key cryptography, that is true. But it is not used to encrypt (i.e. use the public key to turn a message into a cypher which only someone with the private key can read) but to sign (i.e. use the private key to create a signature on a message that people with the public key can verify). Encryption and digital signatures are two different uses of cryptography. Importantly digital signatures don't hide the message.
Let's see how based it really is. I'm psyched for anything he brings out but I'm ready to take the limits off all this tech and see what this baby can do!
SHA is a hash function it's not encryption because it's not decipherable. ECDSA is a signing method it's not encryption because it doesn't hide anything. These are both concepts in cryptography but not in encryption.
Correct it relies on asymmetric cryptography and ECDSA for protection or encryption. One of the definition of encryption is cryptography. Splitting hairs and semantics but to say it’s not encryption is wrong and misleading. At least for us old guys that have been around since 2007.
Not really. 𝕏 chat will probably fail to make an impact to the majority and will not compete with the likes of WhatsApp which does not rely on being a member of a social media platform.
great..this is a foreshadow of what he is going to announce and Bitcoin will take a hit. Just like Sam Altman did.
Want to bet, Elon: "We are announcing Xcoin, it is built on Rust using much better technology compared to tired old C++ Bitcoin."
So tired of the Billionairres who do this but good luck. King Bitcoin, still King after 16 years and 100,000,000 coins but Xcoin is going to do exactly what Bitcoin did.
Can't get Starlink in Puerto Rico. That would seem to be kind of a good place to have Starlink, given the propensity for hurricanes and, ironically, given that today is the alleged first day of hurricane season.
What makes him bring "Bitcoin style" into this announcement? Surely he must know the basics of Bitcoin technology. But he wouldn't mention it without some kind of reason 🤔
No. I also cannot enter my neighbors house. I can look in the window and see all their stuff but I don't have the key so I cannot enter. Bitcoin relies on two cryptographic principles. Hashing and public/private key pairs based on elliptic curves. Had it been RSA keys you could argue the key is encrypted but with ECC that's not even true.
Not very similar to encryption. It's more similar to hashing as both are efficient one-way functions. (You can't reverse a SHA256 to find the hashed plaintext just like you can't reverse an ECDSA signature to find the private key.)
the what now? you mean Secp256k1 or something?
ReplyDeleteI can't see any features in there that I haven't got three times over in other apps. And by not using Twitter, this XChat thing, or owning a Tesla, I have the bonus of having nothing to do with this odious man.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Twitter anymore, it will never be Twitter again, and we all know what X is nowadays. Stop with this whole "formerly known as Twitter" nonsense. It's been years, get over it, it's X now.
ReplyDeleteNah, formerly known as “No.”
DeleteGood thing Bitcoin has never been hacked or anything.
ReplyDeleteBuilt on Rust? What does that mean - it's not a platform, it's a language - built with/in/using Rust would make sense? "Any type of file"? It's hard to understand what that means - my email can send "any type of file" because file type isn't a significant thing that causes issues - I also look forward to sending my obscure ".obscure" file type files at long last?!
ReplyDeleteAnd "bitcoin style" encryption (as others have said) means very little and is probably the most important thing we need to understand before trusting the encryption... If, Elon, you're taking the time to say nothing at all on your communication platform about how you're "improving" said communication channel, perhaps you need to have a long hard think about how to do it in a way that passes a basic "value" test to readers.
It means Elon Musk is a clown who doesn't know what he's talking about.
DeleteSHA256? My shitty website built "vibe" coding has Bitcoin style encryption!
ReplyDeleteXChat [1] has entered the chat.
ReplyDelete1. http://xchat.org/
1. If you trust a conman, you’re gonna get conned.
Delete2. No.
I hope they sue him, although given that this site hasn't been updated since 2015 and apparently can't get an SSL certificate I'm guessing it's no longer being maintained.
DeleteWhat the hell does "Bitcoin style encryption" even mean? It's just nonsense. Musk is the biggest imposter in the game.
ReplyDeleteAll messages will be in a public ledger.
DeleteHe’s a knob
DeleteI love how the guy has barely a clue about Tech but uses big words to impress people who have even less of a clue.
ReplyDeleteBITCOIN STYLE ENCRYPTION FOLKS!!!
It means all of your messages will be posted in an annoymized method on the block chain through an NFT for each message. You can then sell these messages based on the value of them that Grok AI will assess to make a new .com website.
Deleteotherwise I have absolutely nothing and words don’t mean anything and buzzwords are fun
"people who have even less of a clue."
DeletePretty much describes most of blue checks on X . Well at least the ones that aren't bots.
Elon Musk has very low technical skills. If he says something technical, ignore it
ReplyDeleteYeah that's why he shoots stuff to Mars
DeleteHe doesn't do that, he has money and pays people to do that.. big difference
DeleteNo space, only water above the firmnanent
DeleteHe hires very very good engineers
DeleteElon has relatively low technical knowledge, less than one would expect from a person in such a position.
ReplyDeletePublic-key cryptography is involved in bitcoin, just like in all blockchain but also in SSL (https and certificates stuff). PKC has two major ways to be used: to encrypt stuff so only the owner of the private key can decrypt, and sign stuff in a way that everyone can verify that the owner of the private key has signed. Both without disclosing the private key.
Bitcoin (the blockchain in fact) makes extreme use of the second one. The chain is (in a simplified way) a series of signed entries in a ledger. Each link in the chain is signed by someone.
If that was encrypted, no one in the world would be able to read the ledger. Bitcoin is not encrypted or at least it is not an essential part of it. But the signature part of it relies on very strong cryptography. It is nearly impossible to forge a ECDSA signature without being in possession of the private key. Nearly impossible like requiring more computing power than we can use in a boatload of years.
So XChat will use ECDSA. Ok. HTTPS also use ECDSA. SSH too. Not really novel.
Insightful! Thanks for sharing. key takeaway for me is that even though its called cryptocurrency it is not encrypted.
DeleteNot sure it should be the takeaway. It is well-known that the blockchain is completely public.
DeleteI've seen 2 comments saying that Elon has ''low technical knowledge''
ReplyDeleteDUDE, who are you guys? What are you doing? What are you building? It's not about what he does, it's about who he is, you guys are haters
He's probably talking about public and private key encryption.
ReplyDeleteThat would make sense.
DeleteI’m guessing he means blockchain technology. Everyone who uses it will basically be like a miner on the network and will store each post like a transaction. Every 10 minutes a new block will be created, and it will take more computing power than what’s already on the network to perform an attack. There would be no incentive to attack the network, because if you wanted to change one post you would have to spend tons of money on chips and electricity.
DeleteLOL. Seriously, this would be amazing. Not because it's good, but because blockchain technology is an absolute scam and this will accelerate X's failure. I hope you're right so that X can fail and pave the way for Nostr's bright future.
DeleteWhat do you mean blockchain technology is a scam? It’s absolutely genius, when was the last time Bitcoin was hacked? When was the last time a big bank was hacked?
DeleteBitcoin is great! Blockchain technology is the scam.
DeleteIt's a marketing and buzz word used to trick people into using and buying Shitcoins. Bitcoin is the innovation. Full stop.
I was know your opinion on the matter. I was genuinely asking why you think it’s a scam, from a technical standpoint not an emotional one.
DeleteWhat do you think the technology behind bitcoin is? It’s the original blockchain.
Just because crypto also uses blockchain tech to scam people, doesn’t mean, blockchain tech sucks.
Timechain.
DeleteBitcoin. Not crypto.
Bitcoin. Not blockchain.
And while we're on the subject, most shitcoins could use a database and accomplish the same thing that they're doing, they're just trying to use Bitcoin's technology to affinity scam people along the way by using new and sexy buzzwords.
DeleteWhat kind of a database is more secure than blockchain technology? And you haven’t answered my previous question. Have you read the white paper for Bitcoin that describes how the blockchain works. It’s one of the greatest technological discoveries in modern history.
DeleteDude. Yes I read it 16 years ago. I'm a Bitcoiner. I'm a Bitcoin Maximalist. I'm trying to tell you that you don't say Crypto or you don't say Blockchain Technology. These things are affinity scams. It's Bitcoin and nothing else.
DeleteI know, me too. But I still don’t know why you think blockchain technology is a scam. Can you elaborate? And when did I use Bitcoin and crypto synonymously so I can go back and edit my post? I’m a maxi too and would never do that.
DeleteYes, bitcoin is encrypted. Thats why it’s called “cryptocurrency” since it uses public key cryptography.
ReplyDeleteNot all crypto is encryption. Public key crypto is different and solves a different problem. So Bitcoin doesn't use encryption. Unless we are talking about v2 P2P communications in Bitcoin Core, but that's an implementation detail.
DeleteWTF are you talking about? Bitcoin uses public key cryptography. In order to send bitcoin, you have to sign the transaction with the private key that corresponds to the public key of the UTXO being sent.
DeleteExactly. Public key crypto is not encryption. It's a different kind. There is no data being obscured through encryption. Everything is public and all of the data needed is included.
DeleteAs the previous commenter said cryptography is not only encryption. Bitcoin uses public key cryptography, that is true. But it is not used to encrypt (i.e. use the public key to turn a message into a cypher which only someone with the private key can read) but to sign (i.e. use the private key to create a signature on a message that people with the public key can verify). Encryption and digital signatures are two different uses of cryptography. Importantly digital signatures don't hide the message.
DeleteMaybe he means like a node base p2p.
ReplyDeleteI’d say it’s blockchain. Every post will be a node. A decentralized way to store all that data without costing the company a single dollar.
ReplyDeleteMusk has demonstrated time and again he doesn’t understand PoW
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don’t really care what musk and ex are doing. I have belonged to Twitter ever since this idiot bought it.
ReplyDeleteInteresting move. If it’s truly decentralized like Bitcoin, it could be a game-changer for privacy.
ReplyDeleteI hope this isn’t just another buzzword salad. ‘Bitcoin style’ encryption isn’t even a clear term.
ReplyDeleteSo is XChat trying to compete with Signal and WhatsApp now? Bold, but good luck.
ReplyDeleteBold is Elon’s middle name. Let’s just hope functionality is too.
DeleteElon seems to be trying to turn X into an everything app—now it’s social media, payments, and secure messaging?
ReplyDeleteWill it actually be end-to-end encrypted and open source like Signal? That’s the real test.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Without transparency, it's just marketing wrapped in crypto lingo.
DeleteIf it works as advertised, this could make X a hub for free speech and privacy advocates.
ReplyDeleteWhat does ‘Bitcoin style’ even mean here? Asymmetric encryption? Blockchain integration?
ReplyDeleteSounds ambitious. But I’m skeptical until I see a technical whitepaper or actual implementation details.
ReplyDeleteElon always swings big. This might actually push the whole industry forward, even if it flops.
ReplyDeleteTrue. Even his failures tend to stir things up in the tech space.
DeleteThis could attract crypto enthusiasts, but it also raises concerns about moderation and abuse on the platform.
ReplyDelete💥🚀
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ReplyDeleteNiceeee.
ReplyDeletehttps://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669
Let's see how based it really is. I'm psyched for anything he brings out but I'm ready to take the limits off all this tech and see what this baby can do!
DeleteBased.
DeleteBitcoin Style encryption?
ReplyDeleteWhat does that even mean?
It means no encryption, as bitcoin transactions are broadcast in clear text.
DeleteHe likely means private/public keys interactions. Which is common in encrypted memo’s
DeleteVery strong
DeleteLol
Deleteshah 256
DeleteThats a hash, not an encryption
DeleteBitcoin isn’t encrypted.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Elon Musk means like BIP-151 peer to peer communication encryption
DeleteWrong. SHA-256 and ECDSA it’s asymmetric encryption.
DeleteSHA is a hash function it's not encryption because it's not decipherable. ECDSA is a signing method it's not encryption because it doesn't hide anything. These are both concepts in cryptography but not in encryption.
DeleteCorrect it relies on asymmetric cryptography and ECDSA for protection or encryption. One of the definition of encryption is cryptography. Splitting hairs and semantics but to say it’s not encryption is wrong and misleading. At least for us old guys that have been around since 2007.
DeleteI don't think you know how BTC actually works...
DeleteIt's forward secure UTXO, transactions are not encrypted, just signed, the basic on chain transaction is publicly readable.
Profile rings very true here.
DeleteNope
DeleteSha256 is a one-way hash
ECDSA is a signature method
Neither is encryption
you exactly knows wheres the most bitcoin maxis don't know
DeleteIf the code is not open-source it's a trust me bro scam
ReplyDeleteTo my knowledge the code has always been open-sourced
DeleteYess
DeleteEven if that component is open source there is no way to know whether it is being wrapped or even used in the mobile app.
DeleteI guess "doge like encryption" didn't sound as good 😂
DeleteVery cool
ReplyDeleteHow can bitcoin be integrated into x for peer to peer use?
DeleteMicro lightning payments as a means to encourage posters or to gatekeep spammers.
DeleteThis is already in play in a decentralized protocol similar to X that I won't mention here.
Been a while since he’s mentioned bitcoin!
DeleteHe can’t escape forever
DeleteThat’s code for “peer-to-peer with no middleman.”
DeleteYou should try it sometime, bud.
#Bitcoin has no ticker!
Bad news for Facebook and WhatsApp. 😁
ReplyDeleteNot really. 𝕏 chat will probably fail to make an impact to the majority and will not compete with the likes of WhatsApp which does not rely on being a member of a social media platform.
DeleteAll the Def contractors and subs I know moved to Signal 12-18 months ago. Wonder how this will compare.
DeleteI can see a future free from FB and WhatsApp
DeleteNothing can replace WhatsApp
DeleteFacebook will become obsolete in weeks at this rate.
DeleteWhy you say that?
DeleteLol, you dreaming
DeleteFantastic
ReplyDeleteBitcoin isn't encrypted... you think your chat / DMs not being encrypted is fantastic?
Delete👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
ReplyDeleteBitcoin doesn't use encryption, it uses elliptic curve cryptography.
ReplyDeleteThat’s what he means. Effective communicating means editing your message to address your audience.
DeleteConsidering the number of people questioning his message, and you having to confirm it, it was not very effective for his audience, was it.
Deletegreat..this is a foreshadow of what he is going to announce and Bitcoin will take a hit. Just like Sam Altman did.
DeleteWant to bet, Elon:
"We are announcing Xcoin, it is built on Rust using much better technology compared to tired old C++ Bitcoin."
So tired of the Billionairres who do this but good luck. King Bitcoin, still King after 16 years and 100,000,000 coins but Xcoin is going to do exactly what Bitcoin did.
BIP38 uses encryption.
Deletethat's a wallet-level security feature, not part of the blockchain protocol or consensus rules
DeleteBIP38 encrypts private keys, not wallets. But yeah, I got your point.
DeleteWith all due respect, e2e encryption is a complete LARP without open source code to hack it up.
ReplyDeleteBack it up** fml
Deletehttps://media1.tenor.com/m/YOGLap3Asb8AAAAC/both-why.gif
DeleteAgreed. Needs to be audited to be trusted.
DeleteAll closed source software is "trust me bro"
DeleteExtremely cool development!
ReplyDeletehttps://x.com/KnightWorlds/status/1929241921760735283
ReplyDeleteBitcoin was written in cpp
ReplyDeleteRust clients came later
The difference on something like a stream manager between rust and node or python is pretty tiny since it’s just wrapping pointers
Rust is cool but code isn’t magically better because it is rust
Still bullish on Elon talking about Bitcoin
Deleteit's not magically better, it is predictably (boring memory mgmt in compiler) less risky especially in corner cases
DeleteLet the man use buzzwords in peace
Deleterust is magically more something alright… but better might not be the word for it
DeleteDo I need a tetanus shot to use ?
DeleteElon created Bitcoin...
DeleteBitcoin doesn’t use encryption at all. Have you looked into Zcash?
ReplyDeleteBitcoin uses the SHA256 cryptographic hash function.
Deletea level playing field is a blessing
ReplyDeleteAsk away!
DeleteI worry about who has eyes-on our private parts; less spying is more "level" IMHO.
Encryption postpones violation of privacy to some future tech; the best money can buy seems good to rely on for now.
Robust (interplanetary) comm provides same level of security (right of privacy) for all.
Absolutely. Privacy is a fundamental right — on Earth and beyond. Encryption levels the playing field and keeps the snoopers guessing 🛰️🔐
DeleteCan I ask you a few questions?
DeleteThis is a significant upgrade. Coupled with Starlink, communication will never be the same. Amazing!
ReplyDeleteCan't get Starlink in Puerto Rico. That would seem to be kind of a good place to have Starlink, given the propensity for hurricanes and, ironically, given that today is the alleged first day of hurricane season.
Deletehttps://tenor.com/view/donkey-shrek-kissass-shrek-and-donkey-kiss-butt-gif-9283823828366642164
DeleteCan't wait to try it
ReplyDeleteMe too!
DeleteIt will beat WhatsApp
DeleteJust make sure your next upgrade includes a Bitcoin Mattress too.
DeleteWhen is it coming to android???
ReplyDeleteIt’s built right within the app. It’s in beta right now so only some people got the invite. I found mine here
Deletehttps://imgur.com/a/qWE4aSh
When can we make Google give up Android?
Delete2028
DeleteBitcoin style?
ReplyDeleteThere's no encryption in Bitcoin!
What makes him bring "Bitcoin style" into this announcement? Surely he must know the basics of Bitcoin technology. But he wouldn't mention it without some kind of reason 🤔
No encryption? So you can take anyone's BTC?
DeleteNo. I also cannot enter my neighbors house. I can look in the window and see all their stuff but I don't have the key so I cannot enter.
DeleteBitcoin relies on two cryptographic principles. Hashing and public/private key pairs based on elliptic curves.
Had it been RSA keys you could argue the key is encrypted but with ECC that's not even true.
It's more about hashing and digital signature right ? No encryption i guess. What are you encrypting? . Blockchain is public right ?
DeleteDude go learn
Delete"Bitcoin uses elliptic curve cryptography (ECC), specifically the secp256k1 curve, for its encryption and security".
DeleteWhere ever you copied this from, they are wrong ;-)
DeleteSecp256k1 is for BTC's digital signature algorithm, which is similar to but not encryption
DeleteNot very similar to encryption. It's more similar to hashing as both are efficient one-way functions.
Delete(You can't reverse a SHA256 to find the hashed plaintext just like you can't reverse an ECDSA signature to find the private key.)
Kinda, ECDSA has sign and verify similar to how symmetric encryption has encrypt/decrypt.
DeleteHashing you are correct about.