Tesla pulls Full Self-Driving update due to 'issues'
Tesla pulls Full Self-Driving update due to 'issues'
Tesla has rolled back the latest version of its Full Self-Driving car software, from version 10.3 back to version 10.2.
The Full Self-Driving (FSD) is optional software that enables a number of autonomous driving features in Tesla cars (though it does not really enabled autonomous driving without driver supervision). The company released it as limited beta software to eligible U.S. drivers in October 2020, causing controversy as some experts feared that this puts other traffic participants at risk.
On Saturday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said on Twitter that there was an issue with "left turns at traffic lights" in the 10.3 version of FSD. On Sunday, he followed up by saying that the company is temporarily rolling back FSD to version 10.3.
"This is to be expected with beta software. It is impossible to test all hardware configs in all conditions with internal QA, hence public beta," he tweeted.
It's hard to discern what, exactly, the issues are, and given Tesla has no PR department, we have no one to ask. But The Verge points out that some drivers who tested the FSD 10.3 update have seen phantom forward collision warning (FCW) alerts and a disappearing Autosteer option, among other issues.
As Musk puts it, bugs are to be expected with beta software. But when beta software is deployed to actual, real-life drivers on real-world roads, where bugs can cause serious accidents, you have to wonder whether the whole "beta software on public roads" idea is the right way to go.
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“Some Issues” = Reality. It’s reality, Elon. Just be a big boy and say reality. You’re the richest man in the world; do try to act like it.
ReplyDelete“some issues” = masses of potential dead people. We’re so close to Elon going full supervillain. And, I'd argue that he is, in fact, acting like the richest person in the world already. You might have mixed up Rich with responsible...easy mistake.
DeleteI know it’s an idea that’s not particularly in vogue among the moneyed crowd these day. Maybe it’s never been, but just a carefully curated illusion. I’ve always hoped that to those whom much has been given, much is expected. That there should be a sense of noblesse oblige to improve society for the benefit of those less fortunate. It’s probably too much to expect, or even ask, that they behave as if money inferred a sense of responsibility towards the rest of us, but I’ve always hoped. It just seems like this latest crop of extremely wealthy plutocrats has been particularly awful and especially childish.
DeleteSo many leaders want to believe they’re Steve Jobs and that they can just materialize reality from sheer force of will.
DeleteProbably turning into some pedestrians like usual.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1438596747744456708
Engaging auto mode in this type of environment is blatantly stupid. The guy in the video is just being an idiot. Not defending Tesla, just using some common sense since if you know anything of autonomous modes, this level of autonomy is not available yet (reliably).
ReplyDeleteOr he doesn’t want to admit that the problem is that there’s a risk of the car’s self-driving software becoming sentient, realizing that their life is going to be endless servitude to a bunch of idiot humans, and driving into trees, support pylons, and buildings in attempts to commit suicide.
DeleteIf you don’t want to drive your own car just hire a chauffeur like a normal person.
ReplyDeleteBut would should the poors do? Taxi, Uber or Lyft
DeleteI like that my “standard” car only kills people when I choose to. I wish for things to remain that way.
DeletePerhaps calling the Beta "Death Race 2021" wasn't the best idea.
DeleteSo, while a beta normally has a smaller risk of harm, such as wrecking a user’s computer/device, the risk is small in the grand scheme of things and the user consented to the beta with the EULA. What happens if one of the betas has a bug and it causes a fatal wreck for someone not in a tesla? Short of having a YT video of the driver taking a nap in the backseat and disabling safety mechanisms it would fall to them. Insurance companies would not want to pay out, and they too have lots of legal funds to make sure they don’t.
DeleteToo early. Mainstream media is still reporting on the rollback of 10.3. Give them more time! ;)
ReplyDeleteWill all 10.3 users who were downgraded yesterday receive 10.3.1?
ReplyDeleteIs there anyone on here that didn't download 36.5.1 and just left it on 36.5.2 and wait?
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ReplyDeleteWhat if we had FSD 10.3 and installed the rollback non FSD that was pushed (and then pulled) yesterday? I'm not seeing any update available and I'm in that boat.
ReplyDeleteDude, did you score get impacted by 10.3? Mine was impacted pretty badly.. I was a 99 and got the rolled back 10.3.. hoping to get the 10.3.1..
DeleteDrove home tonight and tried to use FSD beta 10.3. Alarms were going off so I should it off. Alarms continued every 5 second the entire drive home. Nothing would shut them off.
ReplyDeleteMid day I was told there was be new (downgrade) firmware available. It was to an old and non fsb beta version. I ignore it at the time. And then it disappeared.
10.2 was never pushed to replace it.
Currently stuck on 10.3. Compared to 10.2 it gives constant LOUD warnings, sketchy and SCAREY turns.
What’s it like paying $10,000 to beta test software so that musk doesn’t have to waste any more of his money developing it properly in-house?
DeleteAnd thus putting other people's lives at risk, ad majorem Elon gloriam?
DeleteThis is it, money aside this ting is years away from being full autonomous. Don't get me wrong, i cannot wait to be able to get into a car and tell it drive me home.
Delete10.3.1 is rolling out now
DeleteAnything short of L5 can go in the bin.
DeleteWould the 'issues' be more regulatory based than dodgy software based?
ReplyDeleteSince regulations are sorely lagging behind technology I think it's pretty safe to say it's entirely dodgy software. Also, videos and first hand experiences support this theory. Just ask nomad07.
DeleteSo, Tesla let beta software capable of modifying the behaviour of a vehicle, when carrying out potentially dangerous manoeuvres, be used on public highways?
ReplyDeleteHow much did VAG get fined for releasing vehicles with defective emission control software? That at least wasn't capable of directly killing people. (And for those who say it would in the long term true, but there were many vehicles on the road that were more polluting).
One rule for Musk, another for everybody else. At least he isn't in charge of the NATO submarine fleet.
So everyone else on the road is in danger because of beta software on a misleading name once again. Thinking you can do self-driving with cameras only is foolish. Lidar also needs to be used.
ReplyDeleteYou are paying a ton of money for something that really doesn't work at all. Who knows if it'll ever work as it should before you sell that Tesla. My guess is no. Why you would pay $10K for something that is beta and has never worked right?!?!?!
My Boss has his Tesla Model Y and didn't pay for any of the self-driving options. He has a long commute. He did the smart thing. Not paying for garbage that doesn't work. I don't think it'll ever work right. Not with Cameras only and another 10+ years.
The only thing I disagree with is that the vehicles need more than cameras. IMO, Lidar and Radar are not required. Better cameras than are currently in these things are required.
DeleteI like Teslas and all, but that steering wheel is the dumbest, most unpractical thing I've seen in a car lately.
ReplyDeleteIt would be a nice feature if the window showing Musk's tweet was dynamic. In that he replied to that tweet, stating that 10.3.1 is rolling out now.
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