OpenAI shares Elon Musk's emails, says he wanted 'full control' of the company | Mashable.
OpenAI shares Elon Musk's emails, says he wanted 'full control' of the company
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Last week, Tesla CEO Elon Musk filed a lawsuit against ChatGPT creator OpenAI, claiming it breached an agreement between early backers when it transitioned into a for-profit company and received a big funding check from Microsoft, and asking it to go open-source and nonprofit again.
Now, OpenAI has published its side of the story.
OpenAI's response is fairly short but quite devastating for Musk, as it contains several emails from Musk which indicate that he knew about OpenAI's plans to go for-profit, and that he suggested for the company to merge with Tesla. One email also indicates that he knew and agreed with OpenAI's plans to eventually stop sharing all its work as open source.
OpenAI's blog post, authored by co-founders Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever, John Schulman, Wojciech Zaremba, and OpenAI in general, further claims that Musk wanted "full control" of the company.
"As we discussed a for-profit structure in order to further the mission, Elon wanted us to merge with Tesla or he wanted full control. Elon left OpenAI, saying there needed to be a relevant competitor to Google/DeepMind and that he was going to do it himself. He said he’d be supportive of us finding our own path," the post says.
The post further claims that, when Musk couldn't have his way with OpenAI, he decided to leave and build his own AGI (artificial general intelligence) competitor within Tesla; Musk indeed launched his own AI project in November 2023.
OpenAI further disputed Elon Musk's claims that he donated a hundred million dollars to the company, even though he claimed the company needs to go big to "avoid sounding hopeless" in comparison to Google. "Elon said we should announce an initial $1B funding commitment to OpenAI. In total, the non-profit has raised less than $45M from Elon and more than $90M from other donors," the post says.
The emails that OpenAI shared provide important context given Musk's lawsuit, as they indicate that he knew about OpenAI's plans to ditch open-source and go for-profit, but gave up on it once he realized he couldn't be in charge.
There's a lot still missing here; for example, the agreement between co-founders and early investors that Musk mentions in his lawsuit isn't explicitly mentioned in OpenAI's post. Also, it's likely that a lot more correspondence exists between Musk and OpenAI's founders and investors, painting a fuller picture of everyone's intentions towards the company. Given Musk's lawsuit, this surely isn't the last we've heard on this topic.
Topics OpenAI
Of course he did. Highly profitable thus far. Ethical issues on how things turned out doesn’t have jack to do with a breach of contract.
ReplyDeleteIs artificial intelligence being collected and developed to assist mankind in evolution or development?? Or all the profits being written off into a corporate non-profit?
Why don’t they just go public like any other reputable company would with that much money? :))). They would have to reveal their sources for, and content surrounding the data collected. They aren’t willing to do that
Be more interesting to read mashables emails with the soros foundation and the deep state.
ReplyDeleteYour tin foil hat is a bit tight...
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why do they receive money from the soros foundation then ? You need to do research before posting. 😂 . The indoctrinating runs deep with you. Keep taking that Vax.
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Deletethey are facts. Are you saying soros did not work for the Nazis repossessing Jews belongings before they were sent to the concentration camps? Are you saying soros did not break the bank of England. Are you saying the soros group does not influence any media? You are the conspiracy theorist here.
Deleteprove me wrong then 😂 easy
DeleteNot how it works, genius. The one who spews the BS has to prove it. Otherwise, the sane people of the world would spend every waking moment debunking your unhinged nonsense.
DeleteSoros was a still a child during WW2.
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under the Jewish faith he was an adult. And older than many that were shot at dawn for desertion in the world wars. At 15 and sending your neighbours to death camps is normal then god help you.
DeleteJust admit you are not working with facts, just theories.
Deleteare you lot getting paid for this 😂. Why is it upsetting you so much? So funny.
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DeleteAs a Libertarian I really hope Musk can take over and change OpenAI to better benefit shareholders and thus humanity.
ReplyDelete"Libertarians," Republicans with ponytails.
DeleteKeep Elon far away from anything involving the public's best interest. He's a dangerous megalomaniac.
ReplyDeletelike paypal and ebay? Dont see how that did any harm to the public improved my life greatly tbh
DeleteYou credit Musk with those? Maybe review your recent history a bit before commenting
DeleteThe guys is definitely unhinged.
DeleteAlthough He did create PayPal.
Peter Thiel, Max Levchin, and Luke Nosek created/invented PayPal. Musk has always been the money man. That's not to say he's not a visionary, he's a "big idea" guy but when companies don't insulate themselves from him (as Tesla and SpaceX have) and he gets to throw his ego wrench into the works as he has at X and attempted to in a much more dangerous way with OpenAI, they end up as tools for his insatiable megalomania.
DeleteAnyone who doesn't see the danger with Musk having any sort of control over openAI probably also fails to see the danger in a second Trump term.
Oh HELL no! Everything he touches turns to shit.
ReplyDeleteThe emails do not support OpenAIs claims. Elon Musk invested some 100 million dollars in OpenAI on the promise that they would be an Open Source(which is where “open” in OpenAI comes from), non-profit company. Now they are closed source, for profit company that has sold their IP to Microsoft.
ReplyDeleteIt seems Elon Musk has a strong case, this is quite fraudulent behavior. I am pretty sure he didn’t intent to give 100 million to help Microsoft make more profits.
Pshah. He ruins things, we know this. He ruined Twitter with his megalomania and questionable tactics.
DeleteIn response to M*sk's lawsuit, OpenAI reveals it was never meant to be "open-sourced" or unprofitable. M*sk was fine with that as long as he was in charge.
DeleteIn other words, he wanted to merge OpenAI with Tesla.
Let's see, Twitter had 229 million active users when Elon Musk took over(that number was released in connection with the sale), and is now at around 660 million. They are adding approximately 1.5 million new users PER DAY. X is now the 5th most popular website in the world. X is the most linked to website in the world.
DeleteThird party, independent research by Sprinklr, concluded that only 0.003% of post views on X, meaning only 3 out of every 100.000 post views, contain hate-speech. They add that hate-speech is down 30% since the acquisition:
https://twitter.com/Safety/status/1681400087790927876
In comparison, Facebook proudly announced a couple of years ago that only 0.05% of their posts contain hate-speech... or 16 times more than X.
And yes, X has lost almost 1.5 billion in advertising revenue from the largest advertisers, but at the same time Elon Musk has cut over 3 billion in costs(by cutting the number of employees, cutting the number of offices, renegotiating rent prices, cloud server prices, etc), and at the same time there has been a massive increase in small business advertising and political advertising. In spite of cutting the number of employees by 80%, not only have there been no blackouts, no crashes, and the few small issues that have come up have been almost immediately fixed, but X has also added way more new features and improvements in just the first year than Twitter had made in the previous 10 years.
Another thing you probably don't know, Twitter was heading straight towards bankruptcy... they lost 1.5 billion dollars in 2020 and 2021 and had only been profitable 2 out of the previous 12 years.
And let's see, tell me how Elon Musk has ruined Tesla? The company has the highest selling(of any type) in the world, the Tesla Model Y. How has he ruined SpaceX? Thanks to SpaceX, the U.S. is no longer dependent on Russia to transport their astronauts to the International Space Station. SpaceX is transporting vastly more matter into space than the rest of the world combined, about 30 times more than their next competitor(the nation of China!).
So, please explain, how does he ruin everything? 😄
It's more likely that you have been brainwashed with the negative media campaign against him, that has been ongoing non-stop the last 2 years, or since he bought Twitter.
his company takes stuff to space for Nasa and other companies, he made EV cars commercial, and created Paypal. What have you done thats so much better?
DeleteThat's simply a lie. Elon Musk was one of the founders of OpenAI, and it was founded as an Open Source, non-profit company. In fact the name OpenAI, comes from "Open" Source. The company was non-profit and open source while Elon Musk was involved. He was the largest investor.
DeleteAnd if they were going to take it private and sell it to Microsoft, the least they could do would have been to compensate the initial investors and get their agreement. That did not happen here. Obviously Elon Musk had no intention of giving ca 100 million dollars to Microsoft.
No, it's not a lie. And I refuse to drink any Musk-y kool-aid. He's a horrible person.
DeleteHe has contributed more to the progress of humanity than just about anyone else in the last 2 decades. You have fallen for the media hate-campaign against him.
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Deletewas on a quick break at work. I shall correct it
DeleteHe has not. He is an apartheid-era nepo-baby.
DeleteFair,
DeleteIn all honesty, I was just being a dick.
Although it is what it is.
Nettrice Gaskins His father went into politics to oppose the apartheid system, and maybe the biggest reason Elon Musk left Sourh Africa is because he opposed the Apartheid.
DeleteWhile his family was well off in the early 80s, their economy went downhill from there, and by around 2000 his father had gone bankrupt and has been financially dependent on Elon Musk ever since.
Elon Musk moved from South Africa to Canada with only 2.500 dollars. He initially stayed in a youth hostel in Canada, sharing a room with five other people. He later lived with a second cousin in Saskatchewan for a year and worked odd jobs at a farm and lumber mill. When he had finished college in the U.S. he was $110.000 in debt. He then dropped out of his studies in material science and energy physics and started his first company Zip2. He only had one computer he had built himself, and because he couldn’t afford another one he let the computer run a server for the website of the company during daytime and did the coding during night time. He coded the entire platform of the company by himself. He later sold that company to Compaq for 307 million dollars.
Elon Musk never got any money from his family, never inherited anything.
Like I said, you have fallen for the hate-campaign against him.
That's simply not true. Recently, he went after a Black woman scholar named Brittney Cooper. He joined in the cyberbullying of this woman. This was not the first time he did something like that.
DeleteHe's what I said he is.
The fight with SkyNet is already underway, lol
ReplyDeleteHello dear, How are you doing today add me a friend request then get to know more about each other better
DeleteAI made the emails perhaps 😃 ... don't believe everything you read, specially against the person that stands out.
ReplyDeletetell us you’re heavily indoctrinated in a cult of personality with out saying so…
Deleteit's opinions, not cults.
DeleteElon is victim of many things, but not from taking over the world by force... he is naturally creating dependants, by making the difference in many aspects of engineering and evolution.
it’s a cult and you are definitely a member.
Deletenot a strong argument is it
Delete...? To bad you have your limitations, perhaps your part of the no brain cult?
you think the one time richest man on the planet is a victim? That’s a typical cult belief - that the object of adoration is a victim. Take a clue loser, your boy is a villain - not a hero.
Deletewere is the close look that made you judge that?
DeleteVilan is a word for criminals , assassins , people that want the bad in the world.
He based on he's achievements he is now were near that, for many unfortunate events he may have caused.
What he did and what he is about to do for mankind gives him many credits imo
you evidently don’t pay attention to his documented Nazi sympathies and antisemitism. He lies nearly every time he opens his mouth. He has personally achieved nothing other than amassing wealth from the work of others far more talented and skilled than himself. He is a parasitic technology oligarch.
Deleteso he is a criminal for he's inspirations and words?
DeleteIs that it?
Nothing else he did is good?
When you become better than him let ne know, I might respect your opinion.
For now we agree to disagree... he us just the brain of the century.
Have a good week.
you have bought into a hoax. Elmo is not a genius. He was born into wealth, hired capable people who built a company that Peter Thiel bought to get rid of Elmo because nobody could stand him. Essentially he was fired for being a toxic personality. He went on to buy his way into Tesla and pushed out the actual engineers who founded the company. If it weren’t for the Obama administration bailing him out he would have bankrupted Tesla. He at the same time hired aerospace engineers who built rockets he took credit for but couldn’t design himself. He leverages their work to get NASA to fund SpaceX and grant them access to NASA’s trove of technology patents. Almost all of Elmo’s wealth is derived from US government subsidies.
Deleteyeah he did all that, ambition not criminal...
DeleteWithout him tesla was not existing space x was not here, and reusable rockets were not on nasa. Being good sometimes means pick people and make them better than they think they are... I call that visionary.
we agree to disagree ...
Deletehe almost bankrupt tesla 3 times not 1, and he saved it by going public on the market...decision made by him.
DeleteWhen you are with your head and your values on a company, every one under you can be the liability seperating you from your dream. I can understand were toxic comes from...he's dreams are pretty unachievable or "were"... he went from a day and night a nerd to the richest men on the planet, and yes e does not control he's impulses on social media, true, but I don't know how damm hard it was he's life to get were he is, to underestimate or joke him... if I was in he's position perhaps I would have flaws, same as you and everyone else.
no, you reject the facts of reality. I disagree with that.
DeleteI haven't see any of those statements as facts sorry, your words are not facts, and of you claim them to be, you are not very clear vision.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/40AWTm7r8co?si=aSgFbLMyU71aAoTb
DeleteTesla existed before Elmo took it over. Reusable VTOL rocketry was solved for NASA and the U.S. DoD by McDonnell Douglas Corp. in the 1990s. Elmo was just given access to the technology.
Deletehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X
Awww poor baby Elon
ReplyDeleteBillionaire baby's want all control Is this really a big surprise. Any organisation being funded by the bill Gates foundation must be careful what they say. If they upset bill Gates good bye funding from the Gates foundation. There all the same Do what I want or I will kick off.
ReplyDeleteEvery company that he has been a part of has been glad when he left as they all have the same opinion about him - filled with bad ideas. Wasn't any different at OpenAI.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the best way to stop AI is...
ReplyDeleteThat train already left the station.
DeleteWe KNOW.
ReplyDeletehe’s going to be Trumps new Steve Bannon/miller ,,,already scored billions in contracts via Trumps dislike for Bezos
ReplyDeleteBut he was gonna take full control for #humanity right??? 🤷🏽♂️
ReplyDelete#askingforafanboy
Can someone ask mr. Musk what his opinion on Marcus Junius Brutus is?
ReplyDeleteHe's acting a little like a would-be tech-Ceasar.
💩 💩 💩
ReplyDeleteHello
ReplyDeleteI see ol’ Elon is *still* trying to suck his own d*ck without disturbing his hair plugs. #FromRussiaWithLove
ReplyDeleteYou don't want that trash having control of anything..
ReplyDeleteMusk is a habitual liar and a very jealous nerd!
ReplyDeleteNow everything opened 😄
ReplyDeleteEverything na***ed.
Lol if you read the email where he suggests they use Tesla for funding it just sounds like he was trying to get them to develop his self driving software for him.
ReplyDeleteAn ego kiddo who wants everything, and if he doesn't get it, he'll scream and kick his legs 😃.
ReplyDeleteWell played 👏
ReplyDeleteIn other words, be careful what you tell OpenAI, you never know when they are going to leak what you tell them 😉
ReplyDeleteBe careful when you try to blackmail a company to power grab it all, you mean? Why are they so mean to leak this, give poor Elon a chance, such a humble man.
DeleteThe way I see it, it is the same evil on oposite sides. And OpenAI got lots of information, and this show how they are willing to use it. And Musk? He will thrive as long as we give him all the attention he want. It's like Trump, all news is good advertising.
DeleteThis isn't some evil behavior. Musk told a lie and they showed the receipts. You or I would do the same.
DeleteI don't belive in evil. But it is highly unproffesional to solve their problems and differences in media. But hey, it's USA, anything's possible.
Deleteyou wish
DeleteIt doesnt matter what was said back then or stated now...all that matters as always is the contract agreement....the Judge will review the binding agreement upon in the contract and see what was breached.
ReplyDeletealright...no more being on FB...im go back to catching up on Shogun on hulu
Deleteunfortunately there are too many that are degrading our legal court systems. At some point I'm afraid it's all going to break down and laws are not going to matter in the United States anymore.
DeletePlease consider following this page if you feel the same way. I am from the midwest. People from both the right and left are welcome lots of environmentalists followed as well thank you
ReplyDelete🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
ReplyDeleteSo he made his own …
ReplyDeleteThis is what he always did. Use money to take control of startups and looks like he invented or started something.
ReplyDeleteRobots against robots.
ReplyDeleteWait until he starts screwing with our space program… satellite deployments and astronaut missions…. Too much power in one persons hands and especially when they’re unbalanced like this guy. 🤔🚀
ReplyDeleteShocker. He can’t be president but he’ll settle for digital dictator. 🙄
ReplyDeletesend him on his doomed Kocket to Mars. He can be king there
DeleteMusk is a pathetic tool, he buys others ideas then pretends he is an inventive genius… just another spoiled rich kid.
ReplyDeleteHe always does, He Stole Tesla, Bullied his way into charge at PayPal etc etc
ReplyDeletethat’s that South African apartheid thinking. It must genuinely be hard for him to not be able to just step in and take what he wants!🧐
DeleteThis is his delusion. Like others have said he has a god complex. He wants to save the world. But only if he can save it. If he can’t he’ll burn it to the ground.
ReplyDeleteIntelligence should be no threat to no one, the law has structure and am sure he has A legal team to back him up.
ReplyDeleteElon Musk is NOT petty
ReplyDelete#teslafanboyscertified
Well, apparently the people suing him have proof that he’s currently lying… I can’t wait to they rip him a new one, and take a few billion dollars out of his pocket… and I’m using the B on purpose.. They have proof what he’s arguing, is a bold faced lie, just to steal their profits and intellectual property… pretty much what he did with the Tesla cars. The man is no genius. He’s just another con man like Donald Trump, when will people wake up when they’ve been screwed out of a mint by him as well , or after helping Donald destroy democracy after giving him a half $1 billion to pay off his debts… 
ReplyDeleteI mean, it’s OpenAI, what do you expect from then, close their emails?
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing Open Source about “Open”AI anymore… except Elon Musk’s emails, it seems.
DeleteThe economy of basement dwelling incels and their allowance? Meh
ReplyDeleteSo he could ruin it like Shitter?
ReplyDeleteGood, he should have full control.
ReplyDeleteWe KNOW.
ReplyDeleteIt’s his!
ReplyDeleteOf course he did; he sees the effects of his incompetence as innovation.
ReplyDeleteThanks OpenAI.
ReplyDeleteNarcissism at its worst, seems little Elon has managed to lose even more money than he did on Twitter by playing the OpenAI cards poorly, no wonder he is no longer the richest man in the world. Today he will most likely drop down to number 3 when Tesla keeps falling, then it's anyone's guess. Out of top 10 inside the next year?
ReplyDeletePublicly he called the group anti human. 😂
ReplyDeleteMaybe ai was programmed to make controversy and is 100% bs?
ReplyDeleteIt’s kinda okay, they’re androids 😑 but some of them may not like making self driving cars 😑 or going to space 😑
ReplyDelete😂😂😂😂😂
ReplyDeleteWell yeah, he's been warning Ai in the wrong hands could lead to disaster if not properly studied and controlled. It could equally mean he had a devious plan but who knows
ReplyDeleteOf course he wanted full control. OpenAI seems to be run by people foolish enough to doom us all. 🤷🏻♂️
ReplyDeleteAnd shame on them for making me cheer for Elon Musk.
Apartheid Edison exposed again
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