Philadelphia DA sues Musk, calls his $1 million voter payouts 'illegal lottery' | Mashable.
Philadelphia sues Elon Musk for his $1 million voter payouts
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| Musk's million dollar giveaway is illegal, Philadelphia DA argues. Credit: Michael Swensen / Stringer / Getty Images News via Getty Images |
Elon Musk's dubious $1 million voter lottery is getting a dose of legal scrutiny, as the city of Philadelphia sues the billionaire and X owner to stop the swing state payouts.
The city's district attorney Larry Krasner is accusing Musk of trying to influence voters and running an illegal lottery, opening up the business owner to local prosecution under the state's strict lottery regulations. Krasner has asked a judge to order Musk stop the giveaway immediately, with more than 280,000 Pennsylvanians already signed up for the raffle.
The payouts come from Musk's new America PAC, created to back the presidential campaign for Donald Trump and support "constitutional values," which ostensibly include secure borders and free speech. Musk has donated more than $118 million to the PAC, eclipsing other high-dollar contributions from the likes of the DeVos family, the Winklevoss twins, former U.S. Ambassador Kelly Craft, and Jimmy John's founder James Liautaud.
Following the super pac's unveiling, Musk said he would award daily $1 million payouts to randomly-selected voters residing in swing states who signed his petition to "support the Constitutional rights to free speech and bear arms." The giveaway wasn't the first money offer from the billionaire, and many have questioned the payouts' legality under federal law. Others expressed concern about personal data privacy for those entering.
To get around finance laws, Musk has called the lottery winners "America PAC spokespeople" and refers to the six-figure offers as "paychecks," not winnings. According to the lawsuit, Musk's actions also violate consumer protection laws by allegedly favoring winners that have attended Trump rallies. The Justice Department has also warned Musk against further action under the America PAC "lottery." Trump has avoided associating with the lottery, but has called on Musk as an ally.
Musk has recently joined the Trump campaign trail in addition to his vocal support for the candidate online. A recent New York Times report alleges that Musk's motive for supporting the twice-impeached former president is to protect himself and his companies from dozens of federal probes and to maintain his billions in government contracts.
Topics Donald Trump Elon Musk Politics
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ReplyDeleteBtw, Trump says he will do the biggest mass deportation of illegals in the history of the U.S. if he is elected president, but the question is, why didn't he do that when he was president?
All he had to do was to give/sign an executive order to do that, but he never did!
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ReplyDeleteAmerica is in for a major reorganization.. Trump and his henchmen want to deprive the FBI of the ability to check the reliability of their nominees. This is being done in order to push through the last scoundrels ready to carry out any order, even a criminal one, ready for any dirty work. That is why he needs dirty people who have proven themselves. Keep in mind that in the depths of the Trump company, a terrible reorganization of the country is being prepared, behind your backs there is a conspiracy between Trump and the oligarchs. That is why not a single democratic newspaper and not a single oligarch supported Harris. They want to deprive people of rights and democracy. They want to limit all social funding and abandon people to their fate.
ReplyDeleteA complete dictatorship is coming, ignoring the law, the constitution. They want to deprive people of rights and freedoms. To limit freedom of speech. Trump and the oligarchs are at the head of all this. In essence, this is a coup. Because the Republican Party and its members, many of whom supported Harris, do not support Trump and his measures. Today, Trump is not running as a Republican, he is running as a dictator supported not by the party but by oligarchs and racists. Not a single significant Republican supported Trump. And note that only the Republican media speaks out in support of Trump, not the party leaders. Everything Trump says and plans to do today is contrary to the principles of the Republican Party and philosophy.
Until now, not a single serious Republican has spoken out in support of Trump. Only small oligarchs like Musk. Today, punks and profiteers have hijacked the party and are posing as conservatives. What kind of conservative is Musk with 10 mistresses and 20 children? Today's elections are more like an auction than a democratic election. Whoever bids the highest is the master of the country and society. He will dictate the rules of life. Today's elections are like a casino game of razzle-dazzle where there are no rules and no one knows them. Everything is used except morality, like in business.
All this has nothing to do with conservatism; all values have been replaced by racism and hatred of man. Today, two parties are fighting for the presidency: the oligarchs' party and the Democrats. The Republican Party is not participating in the elections. Only the Democrats have gathered their courage and are opposing Trump. The Republicans are scared and hiding. The Republicans hate Trump and believe that he stole their party. If Trump wins, the country will be run by security agencies and oligarchs. Trump is not yet president, but he is already threatening all those who criticize him, even famous performers like Taylor Swift. He openly threatens politicians Pelosi and Shift. If you found this comment interesting, please share it.
We've got eight days left...For those few who are still undecided I hope you'll consider the following...
ReplyDeleteYesterday, at Madison Square Garden, Elon Musk arrived on the stage and pointed to his black hat and announced, "I'm not just Maga, I'm dark Gothic Maga"...I'm not sure what that means but it sounds ominous. Elon has been preparing for this election for years...examples below...but first...
Lara Trump bragged at the rally about Donald Trump "rebuilding the ice skating rink in New York City"...that "that's how we do things in the Trump family" she said. She seems to have left out one huge detail in that story...They were eventually fired because the "Trump family" allowed the place to "fall to pieces" and into "disrepair".
https://www.fastcompany.com/90696000/trump-let-this-beloved-ice-rink-fall-to-pieces-a-new-partnership-is-bringing-it-back-to-life?
To me this is indicative of everything Donald Trump touches. On the surface it might look good but if you look deeper... Recently producers on the show The Apprentice have come forward to apologize for helping to create a false image. They share the story of arriving at his office as a possible location for the show and finding a "ratty mildew infested office" instead. They had to create a whole new set...and thus the myth was born.
I've heard people say they're voting for Trump because he's so "entertaining"..."He feels like a friend when he's making jokes," one male supporter said. But did you know that Mussolini, the dictator of Italy also made a lot of jokes on his way to destroying his country...people found him very entertaining until he got into power...people stopped laughing after that.
With the election upon us I hope you'll consider the following. We live in an age of disinformation making it hard to know what's true and what's not. Recently Trump stated that "non-citizens are voting", which is not happening. It's a lie. The safeguards in place wouldn't allow that.
Politico, considered centrist in it's reporting, not right or left, just reported that "More than a dozen former Trump administration officials this past Friday came out in support of former chief of staff John Kelly, who went on the record to say the former president fits the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator and has no concept of the Constitution"...
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/25/never-trump-former-officials-back-kelly-warning-00185435?
DeleteElizabeth Neumann, a former Homeland Security Officer said recently, "Behind closed doors Trump's worst instincts would frighten the average American. He has no humanity, no decency, no respect for other human beings but instead is willing to toss people aside to achieve his aims. He is very dangerous indeed...If he is elected we are going to end up in a Constitutional crisis." End quote.
People say, but he wasn't like that in the first term, that's because there were people around him acting as safeguards. Those people won't be there this time. This time he's surrounded himself with yes men.
Trump has long been creating a narrative that if he doesn't win this next election then it has to be stolen. He wants chaos. Let's not give it to him. If you think the last election was stolen, look up TRUMP RIGGED EMMYS. Donald Trump has been yelling "rigged" and "cheating" since he didn't win an Emmy for The Apprentice. Long before he was president.
Even the creator of the film 2000 MULES, a film that spread conspiracies that Democrats stole the 2020 election has just issued an apology for lying "and have halted distribution of the film and removed both the film and the book from its platforms". Look it up. One more huge clue folks have been lied to. Even Joe Rogan in his recent interviewed with Trump pushed back about Donald's election claims..."Are you ever going to present any evidence of this?" Rogan asked. Trump had no answer to that question...because no evidence exists.
Did you know that Elon Musk has been secretly paying Stephen Miller tens of millions of dollars FOR YEARS to help finance his rise to power. Did you know that?
The Wall Street Journal reported Elon Musk gave $50 million to a Stephen Miller-linked nonprofit in 2022 and filings show they spent $90 million on media contractors...
Did you know that Elon grew up in very racist South Africa during apartheid and he still holds racist views to this day? Thus his association with Steven Miller. Even Steven's own family has spoken out against his extreme racist views.
Another billionaire is Peter Thiel...This is from Forbes..."Thiel dished out more than $15 million to support JD Vance in 2022...Thiel backed Trump in 2016, but recently told The Atlantic that he regretted it and would be staying out of politics in 2024. That could change with his former employee JD now on the ticket."
"Billionaire investor and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel played a pivotal role in launching J.D. Vance's venture capital career in 2016."
So you've got JD bought by Peter Thiel and others. You've got Stephen Miller bought and controlled by Elon. And in the end with flattery from all of them, they'll be controlling Donald Trump.
Here's a video that helps explain the history. It's by Frank Schaeffer. His father started the pro-life movement so Frank has been around the block a few times and knows what he's talking about.
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DeleteWhen he’s done going down on Trump
ReplyDeleteAs they should piece of garbage
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ReplyDeleteF him up piece of garbage
ReplyDeleteIt not Voter Payment. Get it right!
ReplyDeleteit's still an illegal lottery which is a crime. no you don't have to spend money to participate in a illegal lottery. you just have to participate in it for you to be engaged in criminal activity.
ReplyDeleteBut Bidens massive Student Loan forgiveness sham has nothing to do with votes. The courts already said it was illegal so all through Executive order.
ReplyDeleteThe whiney Dems just can't handle a good idea, all you have to do to enter is to be a registered voter and sign a petition supporting the 1st and 2nd amendment
ReplyDeleteYet it's okay for the other side to do en mass? The hypocrisy is so epic most folks can hardly believe it.
ReplyDelete"Democratic Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner, a progressive DA" enough said.
ReplyDeleteYea right, Biden doesn't even know he is the president.
ReplyDelete"May?"
ReplyDeleteMerrick Garland has to be Biden's biggest mistake. What a gelatinous failure he turned out to be.
Let me help out the justice department:
DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps. Garcia, 719 F.2d at 102."
This took me seconds to look up. Does Merrick Garland not have access to the DOJ Election Crimes Manual?
Eh, “may” is sort of like gratuitously adding “alleged” when describing crimes someone is known to have committed. There have to be charges and a conviction first. Further, since the actual letter was not quoted (or, it seems, made available to CNN at all), the choice of wording was likely theirs for this exact reason.
DeleteThe funny thing is how it looks like Cards Against Humanity is getting better legal advice than Musk did here. Paying particular confirmed previously-registered voters to apologize for not having voted in the past is a much different thing. Musk could probably clean up his problem trivially by doing something similar, offering the sweepstakes only to people who were registered to vote in particular states in some past election. It’s directly or indirectly incentivizing people to go out and register now that’s illegal.
I am also curious how the Musk version fits with “no purchase necessary” regulations on sweepstakes. Do the relevant laws only encompass direct purchase of a product or service, or would they prohibit other potential ways of delivering something of value to the sweepstakes operator?
Imagine committing a crime and then afterwards the government warns you that you may be a criminal but then nothing happens wtf
ReplyDeleteAsk Trump how it feels.
DeleteI will never willingly interact with a pdf criminal
DeleteWelcome to America
DeleteLOCK HIM UP!
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ReplyDeleteThe year is 2030. The ongoing electioneering case is finally reaching its conclusion. In a 5-3 ruling, the supreme Court has determined paying people to vote is actually an inalienable FREEDOM that SHALL not be infringed. The supreme court also says that judges taking money directly from defendants is also a FREEDOM.
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At least someone is willing to do something if all Garland’s DOJ is going to do is send out weak “please, stop,” letters.
ReplyDeleteOnly thing I’m really mad at Biden about is giving Garland a job out of obligation. He should have been gone. I wish he had chosen Doug Jones.
Is it just a civil offense??
ReplyDeleteOh yeah that'll stop him
No it's a federal crime.
DeleteHere comes Garland now!!
DeleteLaw ignoramus here. Is this the normal thing that DAs do? If it’s a criminal act, wouldn’t the DA charge him with offenses or whatever?
ReplyDeleteI don't know if this is a crime in Pennsylvania, but he's suing to get an injunction to get them to stop doing this immediately. That's the normal thing to do to get a court to order someone to stop doing something before going through due process (which will definitely take more than a week).
DeleteAh, gotcha, thanks.
DeleteThey should have done this days ago.. the damage is already done
DeleteHow about suspending government contracts until he stops blatantly committing crimes
ReplyDeleteFor every idiot in this thread that thinks this isn't illegal, I have a nice dare for you.
ReplyDeleteGo and get the link to Musk's petition and go and stand in front of your state legislature and start running a draw for 20 dollars every 15 minutes to anyone who is willing to sign it so long as they are registered to vote. If people come up to you who aren't registered, send them to the site to register to vote. Put up a poster board in sharpie behind you. And don't forget to call your local newspaper to make sure you have press coverage and make sure to film it.
And please tell me the date and time when you get arrested. Because you will get arrested.
If you are too chicken shit to do it, then tell me why. Because if this isn't illegal you should have no issue doing it and no repercussions should come of it.
Aren't these Muskrats supposed to be "men of science"? Here is a perfectly good reproducible experiment for you.
Gee, the warning wasn't effective?
ReplyDeleteWhat is this, a civil suit by the DA? I thought the DA’s job was to charge crimes? Oh wait, I guess that’s not how billionaire's law works.
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ReplyDeleteI am sorry.. suing?
Pardon me? WHat he did is a federal crime. Send agents and arrest him already. He's now a known foreign agent, a felony since he had not registered himself as one, who has failed to report such contact, while he has a security clearance, a separate felony. He's known publicly visibly to be engaging in election interference, a felony. He's known to have lied about the material details to illegally obtain his residency, and failed to disclose this fact when he obtained his citizenship, two separate felonies, and ones that are disqualifying for citizenship and grounds for denaturalization explicitly and subsequent deportation afterwards inherently.
The man is a criminal, flat out, and possibly not legally a US citizen. He should have been arrested a week ago for open election interference or his unlawful acts as a foreign agent, and multiple investigations for multiple different felony acts he's likely committed since year one of arriving in this country.
At the very least, his security clearance should have already been revoked. It is appalling that this man is openly breaking the law so flagrantly, and nothing is being done about it.
Once again Merrick garland is nowhere to be found
ReplyDeleteSued for a criminal offense? They should be arrested, not sued.
ReplyDeleteThe rich really do live by a different set of rules.
Why isn't the DOJ indicting him?
ReplyDeleteSues?
ReplyDeleteHow come when we break the law, we get arrested, but when rich people break the law, they get sued?
DA Larry Krasner has more balls than Garland Merrick. Go get 'em, Larry! He is an awesome DA.
ReplyDeleteThe newer Republican playbook seems to be “just do the illegal thing anyways, we can stall any semblance of accountability until it’s no longer relevant or we have control”
ReplyDeleteDrops out of school and illegally an immigrant. Uses money from (emerald mines?) parents to pursue .. how did he get the Boring Company? Tesla? Space X? ... how is he CEO? Are the board members family? Related? Now, breaking Federal Election law on paying for votes?
ReplyDeleteThis lawsuit is crucial for ensuring that our voting process remains fair and free from outside influence. Voter integrity must always come first!
ReplyDeleteokay, now C&D him so he can't do it anymore. He's going to keep paying out otherwise, because he's betting on Trump winning and handing out pardons and government jobs that'll shield him (or pardon him) from his illegal behavior.
ReplyDeleteArrest him, full stop. Charge him with the crime and let him post bail.
ReplyDeleteSince spineless Merick “I’m not going to prosecute anyone” Garland is AG, someone has to step up. Well done.
ReplyDeleteThe DA sees a crime but the DA sues instead of arresting. WTF?
ReplyDeleteI'm soooo friggin' tired of the two America's being rubbed in our faces.
Sues to stop? The damage will be done and the election over before this even gets to the first step.
ReplyDeleteIs he actually going to/did he actually pay up for any of the winners yet?
ReplyDeleteI think it's safe to say that at this point in the game, they're 100% certain that they have the election in their pockets so they're doing whatever they want.
ReplyDeleteGrowing up in Chicago the whole 'buying votes' thing is a joke, it's something we ridiculed as a time when we were a mess of political corruption. Vote early vote often! Buying votes through the corrupt unions! The politicians are windbags and liars who will stop at nothing to stay in office!
ReplyDeleteTo see Conservatives lean into this so hard is absolutely wild.
Canadian here.
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain to me why the US legal system "sues" people in Civil Court instead of charging them with a crime in criminal court?
In Canada, if you engage in illegal election antics the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) knock on your door and cart you away in handcuffs.
Crown Counsel charges you with a crime and you go on trial.
They don't "sue" you.
Why does the USA operate differently?
First, i think they haven’t given the prize yet in Pennsylvania, so this is an attempt to stop that, by claiming they are operating an unlicensed lottery.
DeleteSecond, the offending party is a SuperPac, which is technically a political corporation that can spend money to support a political candidate with little oversight, because the Supreme Court in 2010 that spending money is a form of free speech.
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/super-pacs/2022
So there is a layer of protection between the PAC and its officer,
why sue? Why not criminal charges and jail?
ReplyDeleteCivil asset forfeiture is what they should do to musk. He is using his stock portfolio to sway an election. Even if it failed, freezing his assets during deliberations would tank his companies.
ReplyDeleteI wonder where Leon learned all his hybrid warfare and propaganda techniques from?
ReplyDeleteVery smart to have the Philly da prosecute so even if Trump wins musk can't be pardoned for state crimes.
ReplyDeleteIf George Soros did this, they'd be screaming bloody fucking murder -- glad someone did something finally.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of funny to me that I look at this situation like, "it's a trap, Elon is just baiting someone to sue him." Then things run its course and its like, it wasn't a trap at all. He's just a dumbass.
ReplyDeleteElon has learned from Trump. He'll commit election crimes knowing that he will affect the election and no one will stop him until it's too late, then deal with the consequences later. By "deal with the consequences " I mean use your billions to drag out the court cases for decades to never deal with the consequences.
ReplyDeleteAs usual, it’s the (white) immigrants conducting voter fraud…
ReplyDeletehe's not paying just trump voters right? they would be illegal.
ReplyDeleteit's not illegal to treat voting at all as a sweepstakes the way facebook allows us to put up an i voted filter on our profile.
I support the following change to the justice system. Innocent until proven guilty unless you have a billion dollars or more, then you're guilty until you give it all away.
ReplyDeleteAs they should. What elon is doing is a fundamental betrayal of every democratic principle.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sick and tired of political criminals getting away with crime after crime after crime. Us the people are expected to be law abiding citizens, yet politicians get to break every rule as they please?
ReplyDeleteI hope the “winners” also sue Musk (hope they didn’t sign an arbitration clause). IANAL obviously
ReplyDeleteI hope that when they arrest him they send a couple of those problematic officers who just got back from paid leave for… reasons.
ReplyDeleteWell sue you for THOUSANDS If you don’t stop giving away MILLIONS. Take that!
ReplyDeleteand penalize, right? right?
ReplyDeleteHis wrist is going to be SO red.
ReplyDeleteThe PAC is being sued, Musk is mitigating risk bypassing personal risk to organizational risk.
ReplyDeleteI love this gnashing of teeth. 🦷
ReplyDeleteWhat about the DOJ? Most useless mfer ever
ReplyDeleteWhen this first came out I had said that I would be surprised if the DA didn’t pursue this, so I’m glad that they are doing their job. Although it’s a but unusual to start from the grounds of lottery laws and not election laws since the latter is the main issue, Im glad the DA is pursuing this because it is in fact plainly very illegal on multiple fronts. I suspect additional law suits are coming that specifically argue the legal stance of vote-buying.
ReplyDeleteWhy sue? This is a criminal act. Arrest the man.
ReplyDeleteCan’t wait for a pro trump judge to throw it out
ReplyDeleteIf he broke the law, then charge and arrest him. Suing him means he is not breaking the law, but we don't like what you are doing. Waste of tax payer dollars.
ReplyDeleteI’m convinced Musk has something horrible about to come out and he NEEDS a pardon. While I’d expect him to support Trump most of the other oligarchs on his side at least try to keep attention off themselves. He’s desperate
ReplyDeleteSuing Elon is literally as useful as telling a toddler to stop doing something in a slightly stern, but still baby like voice.
ReplyDeleteHe will pay a small fine, less than the amount of a parking ticket on a billionaires scale. And at the end of the day he will be just fine. That is just how things are in an oligarchy.
ReplyDeleteThe United States of America is an oligarchy
ReplyDeleteOh no the Philly DA I bet Elon is scared!
ReplyDeleteHey that's my jumping dipshit.
ReplyDeleteWhy the fuck are they suing (a civil matter) instead of charging Musk with a criminal offence and putting a warrant out for his arrest?
ReplyDeleteSince Musk is now a far right conspiracy theorist and as brainwashed as Rudy Guiliani, we should just boycott Tesla... who's with me ?
ReplyDelete“but that’s what the lawyers are there for”…. traitor trump, had backwood lawyers, if traitor musk, hired maga lawyers too, hope he gets the same result’s
ReplyDeleteThe publicity from legacy media is EXACTLY what Elon wants.
ReplyDeleteEveryone is talking about $1 million give away.
This is improving the republican "get out the vote" MASSIVELY in ALL swing states.
I don't understand why Musk is supporting Trump when Trump and MTG hate electric cars and green power
ReplyDeleteFinally someone is trying to stop Musk!
ReplyDeleteSues?
ReplyDeleteShouldn’t it be “indicts” ?
Indict him, you cowards.
ReplyDeleteProsecute, don't sue
ReplyDeletePolitical. This close to election in a key swing state.
ReplyDeleteElon=aging hipster loser.
ReplyDeleteThis is probably what he wanted. He makes big news handing out checks and obtaining personal information. Then, sorry we can’t honor those because we’re being stopped by the mean old government - even better, if the prosecutor is a Democrat. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but I never thought anyone would see a penny of that money.
ReplyDeleteRich people, ask them to stop.
ReplyDeletePoor people, arrest them.
Best wake up.
ReplyDeleteX will spread thousands of false claims of voter fraud. When the voting, and ballot counting are stopped after Trump incites violence... "The election is rigged. The election is being stolen from you. Only you can stop it." The Republican state Attorney Generals will halt all election activities citing "voting irregularities and safety concerns" and send certification to the state legislatures to vote on the slate of electors...bypassing voters. The bought-and-paid-for Supreme Court will rule for "State's rights" and allow it.
Not going to matter it’s ran as a sweepstakes, nothing more than gambling.
ReplyDeleteThe Philly DA is seeking a preliminary injunction. That's the equivalent of shifting the legal system into rabbit gear. It is the quickest move they can make right now. Arrests and criminal charges could still be forthcoming, but an investigation will take time. When the Prosecution has 1 shot to take down a defendant, they don't want to use it on a half-assed investigation only for jeopardy to attach and the case to be dismissed with prejudice, or for a jury to have reasonable doubt with their argument and find the defendant not guilty.
ReplyDeleteSo, in the meantime, they file suit and seek a preliminary injunction or temporary restraining order as a sort of legal triage while they prep for bigger things. And yes, that will take time and probably won't produce anything until after the election.
wake me up when there is a warrant for his arrest.
ReplyDeleteKrasner for Fed AG!
ReplyDeleteOn Trumps live fed of his MSG debacle they were asking people to bet 100$ for Trump to win election on an online betting service. It promise 175$ just for making the 100$ bet.
ReplyDeleteGood. They need sue Musk. His citizenship should be rescinded. He’s interfering with the democratic process.
ReplyDeletelol won’t work because it’s not a crime
ReplyDeleteCan you believe this... Now he gets all the attention of giving away money, AND he won't have to actually pay it out. So fucked.
ReplyDeleteI though lawsuits are basically civil matters.
ReplyDeleteIsn't this plain criminal? Wouldn't it be a straight up indictment?
Might be lost in translation for me.
Something something something democrats are buying votes…
ReplyDeleteIrony doesn’t exist in their world
This is gonna win some votes!
ReplyDeleteIf he wants to give his money away let him
ReplyDeleteBro, ppl want Musk to prosecuted. Then when it happens ,”oh it’s too late”. Then what do you guys want!!!? For his actions to not have consequences? Even if it’s too late, he’s getting accountability for his actions. Jesus, the ppl here and r/law are just good at complaining behind a keyboard.
ReplyDeleteIf you actually hung out on a law sub, you'd know there's this thing called an injunction, where if an initial bar of proof is passed (generally, something like "lesser of likely harms across involved people in society based on what we know now", but I don't know about Pennsylvania specifically), the court can force the person to stop the lottery until it gets into court slowly later over time and figured out.
DeleteIf they refuse to follow the injunction you can put them in contempt and jail Musk for often something like 3 days at a time, renewing if he continues to not stop. He could just continue not stopping anyway until election, but it would make it wildly more likely for him to lose the case later, and probably additional PAC officers would get indicted as well for continuing while he was gone, and the next guy while that one was also in contempt, etc.
A court could also freeze assets depending where they're holding the money and how they're distributing it.
Why hasn't DOJ arrested him? Because Garland is afraid.
ReplyDeleteFunny coming from poor people
ReplyDeleteYou are all getting frothingly rabidly hard about this aren’t you? It’s not illegal and this suing is politically motivated mumbo jumbo because the leftists are drastically upset with him and don’t like what he’s doing.
ReplyDeleteA bunch of whiny liberals. First of it's to register to vote. He isn't telling anyone to vote for a particular candidate.
ReplyDeleteSomeone pissed in your cornflakes..... better go wash your Tesla and cool down......
DeleteCharity sweepstakes are legal in almost all 50 states. They are not considered gambling because participants aren't required to pay an entry fee. Requiring basic personal information to enter is not considered to be a 'payment'.
ReplyDeletePACs are not a charity
DeleteThey are non-profits though, and there's all kinds of special rules.
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ReplyDeleteLeave Elon alone! Geeezzzz! Let Him do the lottery! Who cares? Everyone knows Trump is the Best President by far
So what if Elon is doing this? I swear, Philly people have nothing else better to do……….
Go eat a Philly Cheesesteak!
So why is it bad for Elon to do this but not the Biden Admin. with US tax dollars in the form of government subsidies and programs for illegal migrants? Just asking so that maybe we can direct this anger and want for action at the bigger problem.
ReplyDeleteI would really like to answer your question, but the truth is you got blinded by a conspiracy theory spread by Musk and Trump. Not one illegal migrant will be allowed to vote in the upcoming election.
DeleteThen why are illegal voters being forced back on state voter rolls in various states after being removed in legal manners. I really hope that you don't believe that they won't be allowed to vote.
DeleteYou are just spouting conspiracy theories dude.
DeleteMan the US is a country that prohibits pregnant foreigners from coming into the country because there are rules to avoid planned citizenship births.
DeleteAnd you want to tell me this nonsense?
You were played, I'm sorry. There is no great replacement, there is no great conspiracy against the will of the people.
There is no big voter frau. This lie is told since Reagan and it still works it's just embarrassing at this point.
Lol…Democrats love irony. Biden and Harris do this.
ReplyDeleteDemocrats: Vote for Us and we’ll cancel student debt
How is this any different besides taxpayers paying for the bribe and private money funding the other?
Why don’t they seize Tesla and Spacex and stop them from selling Tesla in Philadelphia? Literally put blockades on highways to block Teslas?
ReplyDeleteIt's illegal to pay people to vote or to register to vote.
DeleteIt's not illegal to sell Teslas.
It is, but that's not alleged in this lawsuit. Musk is being sued for illegally running a lottery in Pennsylvania.
DeleteActually, it kind of is, as Elon Musk discovered; he had to go through quite a few hoops because of legal barriers related to dealership laws. They tried selling direct to consumer and discovered that's essentially illegal in all 50 states due to dealership laws that American dealerships got passed to create a monopoly on car sales.
DeleteSo Musk had to go build an entire brand of dealerships and run through all the hoops to make them lawful establishments. So he actually was, I am pretty sure, for awhile at least, illegally selling Teslas in violation of dealership laws that bar direct manufacturer to consumer sales.
Musk has very good laywers, can anyone point to a law he is actually breaking. Before you say you cannot buy votes, that's not what this lottery is. It's a lottery for those who are registered to vote and signed a petition for two right wing talking points.
ReplyDeleteedit: I get it, nobody likes Musk and wants to see him fall. The problem is he took a break from the lottery for a day then went back to it giving the finger to the DOJ. Why? Because he was talking to legal counsel. If the DOJ could try him for this they would have arrested him already.
Per this DA, that's the problem right there.
DeleteThis is not a federal law suit. There are suggestions that this might violate federal law. That'd be the "buy votes" part.
The crux of this state level lawsuit is that this is... wait for it... a lottery. Per Pennsylvania law, all lotteries must be licensed and run by the state. This... does not comply with those state level laws.
Beyond that, there are some other consumer protection stuff tossed in there as well.
You can stop right there. that's illegal in PA. BUT it's also illegal to buy votes, which when you register for his petition you also sign up to receive nonstop campaign spam, all targeted for getting Trump voters out. No dude, this shit is illegal, the problem is nobody is stepping up to stop it immediately, and in typical Garland style, nothing won't be done until it doesn't matter anymore.
DeleteHow is it legal for McDonald's or Pepsi to operate their "giveaways" or "contests" with cash prizes in Pennsylvania then?
DeleteI'm not google, figure it out.
DeleteThe reason nobody is stepping up is it's not illegal.
DeleteIf they can make a case against him they will.
it's illegal federally, hence why I mentioned Garland. VOTE BUYING IS ILLEGAL. Just cuz it's your guy doesn't make it okay.. Of course, I fully expect Garland to hem and haw about it and announce charges on January 2nd or so, long after this thing is already decided.
DeleteDo you have to agree to vote for a specific candidate to enter? Do you have to provide some sort of proof that you voted for a specific candidate to enter?
DeleteThe DOJ already pointed to the federal laws he is breaking in their letter warning him.
ReplyDeleteThe PA DA pointed to the state laws he is breaking in the lawsuit.
LegalEagle has a video explaining which laws he is breaking.
Fantastic! I can't wait for him to be arrested.
DeleteMe either.
DeleteWhy do we allow the rich to do whatever they want without accountability? There shouldn’t be different rules for the rich.
ReplyDeleteWhen your companies where funded by the government, now you suddenly want lower corporate taxes, which could sustain the very infrastructure all the company's are using, and the education insurence and regulation all the employees need for a fair income. Peak narcissism... we all know who really wins the lottery.
ReplyDeleteHe should go to jail for that. sounds like buying votes to me.
ReplyDeleteit his money, he can have any contest to give it away
DeleteHe just told them to vote not for who 🤣😂
ReplyDeleteThe program, new America PAC, Endorses and backs Trump, and the voting is for trump.
Deletehe did asked them in return they should be a spokesperson for their movement.
DeleteHe's paying people to register to vote, not vote for a certain person
ReplyDeleteHaven’t seen the left cry about the rich giving money away for a long time. Although I can say, if I were a betting man, and Bill Gates were doing the same thing for Kamala, nobody would bat an eye. Everybody’s against the perception of cheating until your team does it.
ReplyDeleteNow do an article about the U.K. election interference, for equity
ReplyDeleteThat's right, mashable won't because they're now part of the paid agenda
Trump and Elon bad
Kamala good
😂😂 smh
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DeleteJust pathetic, trying buy votes, wtf is wrong w this guy…
ReplyDelete👏👏👏👏
ReplyDeleteTake his Money and vote for Harris. Musk is a Fool.
ReplyDelete<----Bamboozled
Deletethe left will not sign a petition to protect the first and second amendment
DeleteApartheid boy! He is not a scientist nor an inventor! Just an opportunist, tax evader!
ReplyDeleteWORRY ABOUT YOUR MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF LIBERAL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND YOUR COWARD LIBERAL THUGS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY
DeleteBillionaires just tell you to focus on immigrants so you won’t realize they’re the ones robbing you blind and keeping you poor. Wake up! 🤣 Ironic since Elon Musk worked illegally in the U.S. when he was first here on a student visa.
Deleteyou're actually describing gates
DeleteWhen does Hunter get sentenced?
ReplyDeletesame day trump does ….. hahaha
Deleteyour Shrink must laugh is a33 off when you come into the room.
DeleteGuess who's paying his golf membership KAREN LMAO
you know I’m right BILL
DeleteThe face of a woman who will never see that money, even if this didn’t happen
ReplyDeleteThen what about the demo’s stunts?
ReplyDeletewhat stunts
Deleteburning ballot drop boxes in Seattle and Portland? That stunt?
DeleteWhy would a liberal burn ballots in areas that have a high liberal voter turnout? They would only be hurting themselves.
DeleteOk not saying I think it was a smart idea. But as a liberal who hates Kamala Harris. It doesn’t surprise me that there may be liberals angry with the Democratic Party right now as they are supporting genocide and stuff. Just food for thought that not all liberals like democrats.
DeleteI can see that and that certainly is a possibility but Trumpers are the ones whining about mail in voting not being safe so why wouldn't they try to "prove" it by doing something like that? It's just like the fact there are real conservatives who don't like that un-American piece of sh*t con artist Trump or that the Republican party has been taken over by Q-MAGA idiots.
DeleteThey’re all just wrestling characters at this point. Either way. The lesson is that the election process is faulty as hell and clearly not secure from either party.
DeleteI wonder if Trump has picked out his water front Gaza trump tower location yet? I bet he also eyes up a gulf course. Kamala on the other hand does not condone the genocide and has been very clear on this.
DeleteI think it's funny that people believe Trump will somehow be different than Harris when it comes to Israel. He's not going to bring peace there 🤣
DeleteHe's not going g to bring peace anywhere, including here. He runs his campaign on lies, fear, hatered, division, racism, & misogyny.
Deleteno she hasn’t
DeleteExactly, I agree. Trump doesn't care about his supporters, anyone in general and this country.
Deleteshe has condemned it. America is an ally of Israel. Biden condemns it. I believe she would stop funding it absolutely. Even if Israel is an American ally.
DeleteHow anyone can still support him boggles my mind! Especially after January 6, insurrection.
DeleteWhen staunch Republicans like the Cheneys, & 4 star generals say he is a fascist & a danger to us all & are now endorsing Harris/ Walz, that should wake people up. I'm so sick of him & his cult! They spread hate, lies, strut around in their red hats & giant flags on their vehicles & practically dare you to say something! They make me sick! I want to go back to when the parties would compromise & work together for all the people, not just white nationalists & other racist, extreme groups!
if she won and stopped funding I would take it back. She won’t tho. She will support Israel and therefore genocide
DeleteDo tell….
Deletehttps://media1.tenor.co/m/hqBkBxEsYY8AAAAd/jim-carrey.gif?
DeleteShould have been stopped right away!
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