Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk call to delete IP laws as artists resist.
Jack Dorsey, Elon Musk call to delete IP laws, but artists are pushing back
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| Artists react to Jack Dorsey saying "delete all IP law." Credit: Joe Raedle / Getty Images |
As artists fight to protect their works from being used to train AI models, Jack Dorsey wants to eliminate intellectual property (IP) laws altogether. Elon Musk agrees.
On Friday, the cofounder of X (then Twitter) and Block (then Square) posted on X, "delete all IP law." Elon Musk, the current leader of X, chimed in to comment, "I agree."
Taken together, these two statements contain just six words, yet they could have big implications for the future of intellectual property in the AI era.
Earlier that Friday, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman was interviewed by TED's Chris Anderson at its eponymous conference. Anderson showed Altman an AI-generated cartoon strip of Charlie Brown, saying, "it looks like IP theft." Anderson asked whether OpenAI had a licensing deal with the Peanuts estate.
Altman didn't directly answer the question but instead affirmed that OpenAI wants "to build tools that lift [the creative spirit of humanity] up," and then added, "we probably do need to figure out some sort of new model around economics of creative output."
Dorsey, Musk, and Altman's words underscore a common belief amongst tech entrepreneurs that copyright laws need to evolve to account for the potential of generative AI. Already, both OpenAI and Google have openly lobbied the U.S. government to allow AI models to train on protected works such as movies, articles, and music. They want such use to fall under the fair use legal doctrine, with OpenAI calling it a matter of "national security."
But to many artists and advocacy groups, any call to "delete all IP laws" sounds like a direct attack on their rights. These artists argue that AI companies are both profiting from and competing with their work, in violation of existing copyright laws. Over 50,000 artists including Thom Yorke, James Patterson, and Julianne Moore recently signed an open letter, which stated, "the unlicensed use of creative works for training generative AI is a major, unjust threat to the livelihoods of the people behind those works, and must not be permitted.ā
And a letter signed by Hollywood creatives including Ron Howard, Paul McCartney, and Cynthia Erivo was sent to the White House in protest of Google and OpenAI's lobbying for deregulating the AI industry.
"Intellectual property law is rooted in the U.S. Constitution as a tool to promote creativity, not suppress it. It ensures that those who contribute to cultural and scientific progress are recognized, protected, and compensated," said Atreya Mathur, director of Legal Research at the Center for Art Law, in an email to Mashable. "Elimination of such laws would ignore that very purpose and devalue the labor and rights of creators, including those whose work powers these technologies."
And on X, Ed Newton-Rex, CEO of Fairly Trained, which advocates for ethically sourced training data, said, "Tech execs declaring all-out war on creators who donāt want their lifeās work pillaged for profit."
Other X users pointed out that Dorsey, who became a billionaire by founding his companies, did so with the help of IP protections: "Everybody becomes a free-market libertarian once they make their bag."
As tech heavyweights seek a legal blessing for AI's "freedom to learn," they'll have to face huge swaths of the entertainment industry first.
Topics Artificial Intelligence Elon Musk
These billionaires are parasites, feeding off of the work of others and using their wealth to control our government.
ReplyDeleteThe greedy just keeps on coming...as does the heinous disrespect for others' property and personal rights
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ReplyDeleteāDelete all IP law.ā
ReplyDeleteāI agree.ā
Thatās it. Thatās the tweet.
Jack Dorsey drops a grenade, Elon Musk co-signs it, and just like that, two of the most powerful people in tech are casually calling for the total dismantling of intellectual property protections.
No big dealā¦ just the foundation of how creators, inventors, artists, researchers, and startups protect their work, secure funding, and maintain ownership in a world dominated by giants.
Letās be real: IP law is flawed. Itās been weaponized by corporations and trolls. Itās expensive, slow, and often favors those with deeper pockets.
But to burn the whole system down? While weāre in the middle of an AI arms race and Chinaās already ignoring IP law like itās a suggestion?
What happens when the rest of the world still plays to win, and we voluntarily toss out our playbook?
Is this visionary disruption or reckless nihilism?
Does IP law hold back progress, or is it the last line of defense for creators in an increasingly extractive world?
Genuinely curious where others land on this.
Should IP law be reformed? Replaced? Deleted?
And who actually benefits if we throw it all away?
Drop your thoughts. Letās talk about it.
I'm an author. IP law absolutely matters to me, especially as someone whose books were used without authorization to train Meta's AI. I'm only still here on this platform right now to try to fight mis/disinformation about our upcoming election. What many people don't seem to understand is that without IP law protections (flawed as they are), creators won't be able to keep creating, at least not at the level consumers want and expect. An analogy: while volunteer firefighters exist, there are not enough to meet the demand met by paid firefighters. And while some might shrug and think a world without the work protected by IP law wouldn't be a big deal, I would suggest that they're not thinking that through or considering even their own consumption of and benefit from that work.
DeleteIt holds back training and use of AI. It's bad if you are a creator.
DeleteThis would just allow what minimal protections exist to be ignored by massive corporations. There is zero positive to this scenario.
DeleteItās just so that they donāt have to worry about having stolen Bitcoin. The author of the white paper has it patented and will soon be enforcing that patent. Itās going to decimate the crypto industry. Jack and Elon are big holders and will lose a lot of clout when that happens.
DeletePeople who use the argument that Intellectual Property Laws holds back progress should realize that somewhere along the way someone, usually a tech bro, will be making millions, if not billions of dollars from ai. Why shouldn't the people who created the content that made ai possible be compensated for their part? WITHOUT THE CONTENT TO FEED THE COMPUTERS THERE WOULD BE NO AI!
DeleteElon Musk buys shit....he doesn't create anything.
I wonder how / if this affects other countries. On the other hand, maybe its open season on FB, X, the Amazon platform, etc??
ReplyDeleteI think it's outrageous. Can't decide on the emoji.
ReplyDeleteCreators need some security for their work.
ReplyDeletetrue computer servers need not follow intellectual property
ReplyDeleteA couple of billionaires don't want to pay to use other people's things? What's the current price for a gallon of guillotine grease?
ReplyDeleteThese people who have a lot of money seem to forget that they once had no money.
ReplyDeleteRhetorical statement to gain attention and solicit comment. It worked. I clicked on it. I thought IP theft was one of the main reasons we slapped a ridiculous 145% tariff on China? A fair solution might be when the total value for each participant is maximized. We may allow the trillionaire CEO of the AI company to earn a cut of the value as long as all the creators and users of that content believe they have all received fair value. Otherwise there is no deal and we are all poorer for it.
ReplyDeleteThe greed of billionaires is endless. Why bother creating new artwork, music, or literature if they just feed it to an AI so it can churn out endless derivative content for free?
ReplyDeleteWhat a bleak future they're building for us. Nothing but regurgitated fake "art" being consumed by a public that becomes ever. Poorer as the rich eliminate all potential jobs.
So a little guy makes a new computer code. The big guy can come and just take it.
ReplyDeleteThe end of America, the end of the rule of law and democracy.
If you don't have 7-8 figure portfolio then you are nothing but a body for them to use abuse and discard.
The essence of the libertarian š¤” mindset
Deletelet's make everything "free" and unregulated, after I became wealthy by benefiting from all those regulations and "socialist" policies
Unfortunately, my portfolio falls short of this range...So i belong to the "pawns" category.š
DeleteWe have the 2nd, we can change this before it gets worse.
DeleteIf Bill Gates did it, then why not?
DeleteThey will open your portfolio and empty it too.
DeleteWhat about big woman?
Deletethey want the whole pie. if it makes money . . . it should be theirs . . . if it cost money, it should be shared.
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me that their own intellectual property is still sacrosanct and not to be "stolen for someone else's profit."
ReplyDeleteSounds like these guys want their cake and eat it too. Whatās mine is mine and whatās yours must be shared. It will be a big relief when trump is gone. Really angry with congress for kowtowing to trump and allowing him to flaunt our laws. Itās getting ridiculous. These congress men that allow trump to trample on our law need to go ASAP. They are disgraceful and harming our republic
ReplyDeleteCould not have said it better. Lets just hope we get to the midterms with a intact Republic.
DeleteWrong. What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine.
ReplyDeleteFlout. "Flaunt" means to show off or display.
DeleteHowever, you're grammatically correct, but you don't get the gist...
DeleteEliminate property. Redistribute Jack and Elons wealth.
ReplyDeleteHow you like them apples, boys?
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when it comes to their IP, I don't think they would
ReplyDeleteWithout IP law, people could sell all sorts of stuff mocking Musk for profit.
DeleteMethinks suddenly he'd object.
This is all about stealing other people's property to make themselves rich.
ReplyDeleteSO, now that they are already rich - because of IP law - get rid of that law so no one else can do it too?
ReplyDeleteSimple answer is no. For sure we should have a convo about copyright law and how long it lasts etc which is absurd to say the least. But just getting rid of all of it? NO.
ReplyDeleteIP Law is indeed a pit of worthless corruption, but I don't think that's the reason they want it gone. I think they just want to steal stuff from others.
ReplyDeleteSo ... no problem hacking your Tesla to enable all the extras they want you to pay for, right? Add extra battery range, enable so-called FSD, get subscription services (perhaps from someone else?)
ReplyDeletePoor people break the law, they go to jail. Rich people break the law, they "delete" the law.
ReplyDeleteDon't complain then when China steals all of yours
ReplyDeleteChina already does. They were able to make make derpseek for like 10% of the cost of openAI by abusing it lol
DeleteThe models are trained on unlicensed content.
DeleteInfringement is just the way this industry works.
Nevertheless deepseek didn't just extend, they optimized and that was their advancement.
ādelete all IP law.ā So says the man who did not give away his $billion website.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of the Old West ranchers who'd tear down fences around land settlers bought. They had the attitude that all that "All that there land is mine and no dirt farmer or Big Guvmmint is gonna tell me thet it ain't."
ReplyDeleteWhat brings it on is billionaires wanting to use other people's work for free. This isn't a mystery novel, do not call Benoit Blanc. #votebackcompetence
ReplyDeleteLaw abiding Americans would like to delete Muskrat!
ReplyDeleteI stand with Elon Musk, because he's slashing government spending and brought back free speech on X, Elon Musk isn't someone id want deleted, but those pushing DEI and those demanding democracy over a constitutional REPUBLIC
DeleteMush if the first one to ban you if you say something bad about him on twitter. I guess the propaganda worked on you.
DeleteYour comment reads like something an AI would churn out. Is Elon already using Grok to defend his actions online?
Delete"because he's slashing government spending" Funny how they are complaining that government waste is being stopped and also want to limit free speech and call themselves liberals.
DeleteAnyone else ready for Elon Musk to completely disappear from public influence forever?????
ReplyDeleteStatements like that can get you a visit from the FBI.
DeleteSorry Dude, but you are a bit off.
Deleteits easier to steal without laws
ReplyDeleteIs it just me or does Dorsey look very familiar š¤
ReplyDeletehttps://giphy.com/gifs/flash-gordon-p5Fiw6dp2cBeE
Power, ego and greed are always at the core of those who do not respect rules. Already wealthy to an extreme, they want to get rid of what they have also benefitted from. We ask why EM is so vocal, we should also ask why JD is such a recluse. Those behind out of sight can be most dangerous.
ReplyDeletemost of these billionaires wouldn't exist if there weren't IP protection laws.
ReplyDeleteAnd "socialist" federal government grants didn't exist too
The essence of the libertarian š¤” mindset
let's make everything "free" and unregulated, after I became wealthy by benefiting from all those regulations and "socialist" policies
Dorsey is an idealist. If you democratize IP revenues, someone will just game the system, earn enough wealth and power to gain favors, and then become a 'gatekeeper' and marginalize the rest of the people who don't want to waste their time bullying for higher residuals. I don't really see how anyone can stop that with fancy technology or some removal of laws.
ReplyDeleteI'll agree if all assets are redistributed. No IP is needed, and no one needs to own squat. Utopia right? The greed and selfishness of these guys is incredible.
ReplyDeleteElon is a hack has never invented anything he takes and talks a lot.
ReplyDeleteWe would like to delete Dorsey and Musk.
ReplyDeleteNever forgive Hack for selling out to Elon
ReplyDeleteIt's funny reading about the Muskrat crying about copyright laws when he's hammering customers renting his kindergarten concept toys.
ReplyDeleteThey love and use the law against their adversaries to get ahead. Then they lobby and bribe congress to remove them because someone else might do the same thing to them. That's how it works people. No one learns how to do business in America by going to business school.
ReplyDeleteMusk believes that that āpatents are for the weak.ā
ReplyDeleteUnhinged one?
ReplyDeleteNostradamus once predicted: āAn unhinged one will seize power with his overlordsā and judgesā muzzled support. He explodes with lies, ignorance, greed, vindictiveness and narcissism. He, with his wealthy powerful prime minister, dismisses and ignores his commoner subjects while enriching the voracious, rich chieftains. Reasonable, protective regulations devolve to the Province of Bullycrats. Education is dismantled. The unhinged one embraces his kingdomās mortal enemies while inexplicably betraying and threatening his staunch allies and disappearing his experienced generals.
āThose without blind loyalty, adoration or true blood are purged. Misogyny is preserved. Popular lifesaving social measures are castrated. When the people finally awake and protest, the king declares himself cult god. Using absolute martial law, he orders his troops to suppress all dissenters by using violence. A once envied kingdom becomes an infested, rotting swamp. His Land that originally successfully revolted against another mad king now reincarnates with a demented, fascist czar. Hail!ā
As the prophecy foretold?
Honestly these tech dudes are some of the worst people
ReplyDeleteTo ever walk earth
He's right because the law is stopping the development of new technology.
ReplyDeleteAnd what would they expect of the future of plagiarism? They wish to delete that from existence also?
ReplyDeletesounds like socialism to me!
ReplyDeleteHis convenient for musk. He gives China all the US engineering developed under Tesla and now wants no IP laws for anyone else.
ReplyDeleteElon's biggest partner is the Chinese Government. And now he wants to get rid of IP laws. Huh.
ReplyDeleteWhen the rich run out of original ideas and are no longer willing to pay others for theirs, they want to just declare all IP free game for them to steal and use allowing them to further profit from others work!
ReplyDeleteUsers need to be protected, not exploited!
ReplyDeleteOnly Democrats should own copyright and trademarks. The rest of the peasantry works for us, and what is theirs is ours.
ReplyDeleteElon's the first whiner to go to lawyers when he's offended or protecting his IP
ReplyDeleteI proudly stand by Elon, Trump and DOGE, government spending needs to be greatly cut, I'll never vote for a Democrat, they are the party of DEI, unlimited welfare, unlimited immigration from the 3rd world, and are anti anyone above the poverty line
ReplyDeleteWhat about the massive amount of welfare that Trump is giving out because his tarrifs are destroying corn and soy exports?
DeleteSomething tells me you were never in any danger of voting in an American election.
DeleteStop mixing up the cack and dmt pipes: residue from mixing both is getting to you
DeleteGood Idea.
ReplyDeleteSuddenly China is OK.
rare time I agree with the trillionaires
ReplyDeleteWould these billionaire clowns knock it off with talks about "deleting" things. It's off-putting.
ReplyDeleteIP theft was one of the main reasons we slapped a ridiculous 145% tariff on China
ReplyDeleteI am with Nicole.
ReplyDeleteow
ReplyDeleteI am telling you, Mexico does not send us his best people, just criminals, rā¦ā¦!!! Oh wait a minute that creepy man is Made in USAā¦oopppsss
Jack Dorsey belongs in jail; he is the left-wing poster child for hatred of America.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad that you have to read garbage journalism when seeking the truth. DOGE is NOT named after a 'meme'. It's a blockchain developed alt coin in the cryptocurrency market that has monetary value. And why print such a ludicrous statement like, "they just hate artists?" Even if it was a quote from someone else! It feeds the fire os segregation of the masses. Points can be made without inserting opinionated filler garbage.
ReplyDeleteHey, what was the "block chain developed alt coin in the cryptocurrency market that has monetary value" named after? I believe it was a meme.
Deletehttps://giphy.com/gifs/gifs-for-ants-3o751YAk75ka5Grexy
So what are doge coins used for? Nothing. Its a meme coin just like all the rest. All a scam for the gullible.
DeleteYou're funny.
DeleteThese billionaire creeps just want to be able to steal others peoples work without any repercussions. Pathetic. More artists need to use Nightshade and or Glaze to protect their art from AI theft.
ReplyDeleteSure let us steal everyone else's brain power for free.....
ReplyDeleteAn example of why you shouldn't do drugs. Just look at his face, and see how stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu pid he is.
ReplyDeletewho gives a flying what these two goof balls want
ReplyDelete