Exactly. The media always blows things out of proportion. Now the guy has been canceled for saying something stupid. We live in such a pathetic society.
Oh right, I'm really celebrating!!! The internet is too, the Timmy hype is over, didn't you see his reaction when Michael B. Jordan won the Oscar? He didn't even get up properly from his seat. "I imagine he thought, damn, I'm going to have to force myself to get up, I'm in the front row, I'm going to be filmed."
The question isn't whether he applauded or not, but how he applauded. The others stood up quickly. He and Kyle hesitated, like: "We're going to have to applaud, but we don't want to."
If all the people ripping on Chalamet went to the opera or ballet even once a year, none of those places would ever have to beg for money. Based on the list, it's likely none of them have season tickets to anything that has a violin in it.
He was never going to win. A safdie movie just isn’t an Oscar movie and mbj had a much stronger performance. I mean uncut gems wasn’t even nominated and you think this can win?
Some of us saw the films and found MBJ's playing of twins (with a vampire transition too) a far better performance requiring greater talent and skill than an unlikeably self-serving ping pong player.
If just basing wins from the performances on film, irl personalities and Oscar campaigns aside, this year's winners in all 4 actor categories were spot on.
When anybody's fave actor doesn't win, understandable to go on a search for reasons.
Those who love to act with the chops to do it will keep being in the mix for audiences over hopefully long careers!
Update: Ole boy lost to Michael B. Jordan. Ya hate to see it, but there's a delicious satisfaction when a white douche gets his comeuppance. However, Congratulations to Michael B. Jordan and the cast and crew of "Sinners"
The way you all talk about Timmy you’d think he was like Andrew Tate, or Connor McGregor with the arrogance and the shit talk.
If I’m not mistaken his greatest crime is… saying he’s put in great performances the last five years? Promoting his movie? Stoking performative outrage over performing arts? It’s so ridiculous bro 😭
Yes, because young actors regularly win Best Actor. Gimme a break. The piling on for Timothy is just what would happen anyways. Older actors just do not reward other male actors until they are well into their 40s or older. Very few winners in their 20’s and 30’s. Well-regarded performances from Brando (Streetcar), Clift (Red River, Here to Eternity) James Dean, DiCaprio, and now Chalamet are shot down in favor of the veteran actor.
But for Best Actress, they’ll take them young and hot no problem.
Of course the foot in mouth incident is a no no, but he already had his good looks, celebrity, and a tacky Kardashian on his arm, which I think was already enuf. But he is talented and would be a worthy winner due to his abilities.
“One of the biggest chokes in history” is a bit absurd
I don’t think he had this in the bag even before his most recent controversy.
Plenty of us hated Marty Supreme and his performance only reminded us he’s no Leo (as in doesn’t have the skill/charm to make gross characters likable).
I love Timmy and he gave the best performance out of the 5 in my opinion, but he isn’t “due”. No really is unless you are reaching the end of your career and even then it might not happen. But I will say: It is the best time to give him the Oscar.
If he loses one of the biggest chokes in history (honestly would be humiliating considering how he’s been campaigning). But if he wins it would be one of the most hilarious wins in history (all this backlash just to get a W would make me LOL). So excited to see which way the results go
I haven't seen Sinners or MBJ in anything really, Timothee is a really good actor but he should have toned it down a bit in interviews.Maybe he would have won if he'd been a bit more humble. He's still young he'll learn from this.
If timmy boy ever grew up and actually matured, maybe people take him more seriously. Tom cruise was allowed to jump on Oprah’s couch because of what he accomplished up until then. This kid is jumping on every producer’s bed when he has not overcome or accomplished anything in life yet. He’s just kinda immature and really psycho, like ex-g/f red flag galore psycho. There’s something wrong with him. I feel like he’s only a week away before getting captured in public and put into an insane asylum. MBJ was insanely good and sinners won the awards that really made instant out. The lame vampire story out of nowhere for no fckin reason was just stupid and ripped off From Disk Til Dawn. I love how dumb and stereotyped all the cast got as soon as the vampires made themselves known. Idiotic movie making! One battle after another was very good but it wasn’t epic or some really spectacular movie or anything. (Think of Traffic or Crash, those piece of shts won Oscar’s somehow. Wtf was the academy smoking?! Krokodil?!) Sean Penn and Benico Del Toro completely stole the show from the rest of the cast and the movie. Epic acting! (Sean Penn knew the assignment: if you want an Oscar have the most weirdest and insanely scary haircut ever made! That’s why bad dude from No Country for Old Men and Weapons lady won) Leo just wandered around doing his best Marky Mark angry and confused impression. Huh? What?! Wait. Where?! Huh?! What am I?! Lol Marky mark! I thought that older chick from Sinners should’ve won best supporting actress. Weapons sucked and was a terrible movie. The end scene was fun though! It was as bad as hereditary. No, sir, I didn’t like it, sez me and Mr Horse.
Timothee’s performance was predictable, his accent was uneven and anachronistic. Nothing about his performance was indicative of careful preparation nor respectful of craft.
I think MBJ humbly and effortlessly playing two distinctly fleshed out characters in one film had something to do with winning over Timmy playing himself
Sinners was an amazing film and whole cast was simply magnificent...so no shame losing to that. Personally I thought marty supreme was hilarious and Timothee is a great actor himself....he's made loads of great movies and plays his parts super well.....he'll get an Oscar at some point I'm sure.
Timmy Tryhard. Truly believe that speech about chasing greatness, self aggrandizing of calling his own performance as top level shit, prolly rubbed alotta voters the wrong way. People know its the ones that never talk about themselves that are usually the winners.
I saw an interview and read an article that said that Timothee Chalamet would not win anything due to his remarks about the ballet... I mean personally, I wouldn't immediately disregard any of the plethora in possibilities... but I do still wonder. Could he have really missed out on several well deserved awards.
It truly takes me back to when I participated in "beauty pageants" as a child/little girl... and I won 3 first place awards which sent me to the "finals" and I won third place. A year later after I got the trophies and made appearances... my mom finally felt so guilty she ended up telling me the reason that I won third bc the top 3 girls had to do some kind of last minute competition to see who could sell the most tickets in 72 hrs which would then see who sold the most. That's how the beauty pageants queen got her crown. Lol
Didn't do the New yorker's accent, For starters this could be one of the reasons. Not to mention Michael's performance in Sinners was also great, he had portrayed not just 1 but 2 great characters so that is tough to beat.
Because someone else gave a stronger performance? People can now stop pretending he’s a young Day-Lewis or DiCaprio. This guy is a fine actor, but most of the momentum was just hype and marketing.
Perhaps he didn't win because he's not really that good of an actor. Just because he's the current heartthrob (and honestly, I can't fathom why) doesn't equal competence as an actor.
Nobody's mentioning the elephant in the room. Maybe the HW royalty mucky mucks found it inappropriate for their 'best actor' to be cavorting with a Kardashian blow-up doll. The two of them have put on quite the spectacle these last few months. If he thought that associating with the Kardashians would result in more popularity and respect, then he really is as stupid as he looks.
The BAFTA episode boosted Sinners' campaign, but not enough to overthrow OBAA, who already had many victories secured. MBJ came out on top in the whole thing as Chalamet arrived weakened by a negative campaign after that "being among the greats" speech and appearing "desperate" to win (before the Opera fall down). In contrast, for example, Amy Madigan, Sean Penn or PTA of course were never weakened, and that's why the rest of Sinners cast couldn't take advantage of the Tourette's guy fiasco.
He's not a good actor. At least not in the same prestige as some of the other actors nominated; I feel like he shouldn't have even been nominated, but that's my opinion. I also think he is way over hyped because of the fact that he's young, tall, and slim, with a teenager face and Gen Z attitude. I've never found his performances particularly moving.
I honestly think one of the main reasons he lost was because the voters didn't vibe at all with the film or character itself. I remember reading an anonymous ballot where a voter said within the first ten minutes they found it unbearable to watch because it was too loud and irritating so they watched the rest of the film on mute. If the majority of industry voters had a similar experience with the film than Timothée's chances were way lower than expected.
The real ones know that there are rumors of him being a dick in hollywood for a long time. Rumors that have been there from the start of his career. I just think the public is catching up to his true personality now.
Either way, I don't think the ballet/opera comments had any impact. But I think it was just a matter of his performance just wasn't that good. Comparing it to the other performances nominated, he was just OK.
Timothee put his foot in his mouth a few times on his own for sure and had definitely reached the point of overexposure from back to back major press tours but even so, the way the media ran with some of these “controversies” was absolutely manufactured, especially when you see that the backlash would often come weeks after when he first said the thing
and yes I’m aware that voting closed very soon after the ballet comments blew up but you are out of your mind if you think that wasn’t engineered and there were plenty of other
I think the most annoying thing about this though is the way people are using this as “evidence” to confirm their priors when it absolutely doesn’t. We have no idea who was 2nd, 3rd, 4th or whatever else. We have no idea why people voted the way they did. End of story.
I definitely think the political climate was a factor as well.
Hot ake but he was never actually the front runner and he didn't lose the award. It was never going to be his in the first place. The shutout reflects that.
I don't think he was second or third place in the tally. I think Wagner was the second place in the vote count.
He lost to himself; there's a video circulating where he hesitates to applaud Michael B. Jordan. When you don't applaud others success, your success won't be applauded.
The ballet opera comment had no effect on his campaign voting unless ppl started hating voting in the last 7 hours of voting lol. But what did affect him was his overall campaign being way too cocky, someone on his PR team should’ve told him to cool it. Bc as an actor (especially a white male) you do war crimes, drugs, domestic violence, sexual assault and you still win an Oscar bc academy voters don’t gaf, but the one thing they hate is arrogance 😭 Jessie Buckley and Amy Madison there is no way they didn’t know they were gonna be oscar winners yet they both still looked flummoxed and shocked they won lol, Buckley even cried like the academy approves of actors looking grateful for the Oscar not entitled to it, bc that’s a turn off.
I feel like the reaction to his arrogance is pretty melodramatic since contextually he's just treating himself like any athlete would treat themselves. Almost every top athlete says they're the best at what they do, or at least try and believe it. Sure, it can come off as obnoxious, but unless he's an arrogant dick about everything I feel like competitiveness is such a dumb reason to hate someone lol.
Even the ballet and opera comments were hugely taken out of proportion since objectively they are art forms that have lost mainstream appreciation. "Nobody cares," or "They're dying," are just hyperbolic statements and the reaction is showing more of an issue with how desperate people are to be offended by benign observations made with casual humor.
Tbh I don’t care abt that lol but the way u saw old ass academy voters like Whoopi Goldberg and Steven Spielberg shade him just proved they found his antics to be annoying. The actors branch is the biggest branch of the academy; and a lot of them are boomers and/or arty theater kids, so do u really think they wanna approach acting like it’s sports? They don’t, they think it’s tacky. If Chalamet just ran a more conventional Oscar campaign and left that cocky attitude at home, he likely would’ve won.
"If Chalamet just ran a more conventional Oscar campaign and left that cocky attitude at home, he likely would’ve won."
I mean, I don’t disagree. My point was I think the backlash towards his behavior or comments are completely dramatic, and it’s stupid that nothing statements and sports-like competitiveness were even weighed against him to begin with. Like I don’t like cockiness in general, but I appreciate his willingness to bring a competitive edge to an industry that is for the most part caged in tradition.
Well it’s caged in tradition for a reason tbh! if timothee wants to win an Oscar he should’ve gotten a more strict PR team who would realize he cannot be acting like he’s an athlete or some rapper lol on the campaign trail. His promo antics worked to get ppl’s butts in seats to watch Marty supreme but it did not please the boomer academy voters who aren’t leaving any time soon.
Art is a medium typically used to challenge conformity. Mad ironic you, and other artists for that matter, think an actor should conform to tradition for tradition sake lmao. Can’t make this shit up, I guess.
You and I and other ppl online are not part of the academy voters, Steven Spielberg and Whoopi Goldberg and Jamie Lee Curtis are and they for sure didn’t vote for timothee even prior to the ballet incident that irdgaf abt; they didn’t like his cocky attitude 🤷🏻♀️ Timothee got no one to blame but himself for fumbling his own Oscar chances
Idc about that, what I care about is the mentality you and, very likely, some voters share about strictly upholding tradition for tradition’s sake lmao. I don’t need to be a voter to call it antiquated and hypocritical, from those who want their art to be boundary pushing or anti-conformist, to expect others to conform to norms when they like them.
Let’s be honest, if Jessie Buckley was acting like timothee; calling her performance in hamnet a “next level” and hyping herself up like a rapper or an athlete, would you and others support that? Or would she just get flamed to hell and back far worse than timothee was (bc she’s a woman), and then lose the Oscar bc academy voters are much harsher w women. She didn’t act like that, she even cried when her name was called (even tho she knew damn well she was winning ijbol), and acted all grateful and humbled. That’s how u win an Oscar 🙏
I’ve been making it clear I don’t care to uphold some unspoken rule against how people act, especially if it doesn’t hurt or belittle anyone. Yet somehow you think I’d be any less supportive if an actress did the same thing? To answer your redundant question, if Jessie Buckley acted the same way, sure, I’d probably also see it as arrogant; that said, the point of an Oscar is celebrating excellence and achievements. In this case, specifically judging who you think had the better performance in a specific film. Outside of heinous acts, their public behavior is not a criteria.
I don’t think he was better than MBJ, but let’s say it’s universally agreed Tim gave a better performance. However, you find out he got snubbed bc, “We think he’s too obnoxious about openly wanting to be great.” Everybody should think that’s pretty fucking stupid.
This same ceremony the academy voters gave Sean Penn an Oscar who barely campaigned and didn’t even want the Oscar at all and he fits into the white male actors who can do crimes but still win an Oscar. The academy is okay with awarding white men doing assault or even sexual harrassment (see Casey affleck) as long as their performance is award worthy bc that’s what they’re judging but they just happen to draw the line at arrogance (and said arrogance coming from a young male actor) 😆 that’s hilarious of the academy
Tbh I thought Marty Supreme was a better movie and Chalamet a better actor but I must admit I am happy for MBJ, I also really liked Sinners (and so happy they won Best cinematography and Best original score!)
I still haven't watched Marty Supreme yet, but watched One Battle after Another and Sinners in theaters and while they were both good movies, I don't think either one was great and didn't think either were Oscar-worthy performances. MBJ just seemed to be playing himself. Even just watching the trailers for Marty Supreme, it was obvious it was designed to be his Oscar-bait movie as they call them
Meaning all of his roles he acts the same and matches his off-screen persona he gives off. He acts in Sinners as he acted in Black Panther as he acted in Creed as he acted in the terrible Fantastic Four movie
The ballet/opera thing didn’t have any impact, but his overall entitled attitude did.
If he had been graceful and kept it classy, he would’ve won yesterday. But the whole “I’m doing top level shit” attitude made him look like a spoiled brat.
Sean Penn won because he stayed out of the way. Less is more.
I’m not a fan of the Kardashians, but I do think blaming Kylie is silly. The problem is his attitude and vibe, not the girlfriend.
Also, I believe his desperation might backfire, and now the industry will only reward him a long time from now, similar to what they did with Al Pacino, DiCaprio, and Gary Oldman.
My bet is that Chalamet will have to grind for years and “kiss the ring,” so to speak, to win. He’ll have to earn it.
In fact, he put himself in a position where people started to hate him. An unfortunate comment resulted in this, in addition to other issues such as him dating one of the Kardashians (who people also dislike).
I think the contrast in the way the two actors conducted them during the awards season played a part.
Michael B. Jordan’s film came out a lot earlier in the year than Chalamet’s, so Chalamet had the advantage of his performance being fresher in people’s minds. But the way he just went round doing the absolute most, not in a good way (committing to the Marty Mauser bit too much) soured people’s opinion of him. It’s worth noting that Chalamet took the lead with the Golden Globe and Critics Choice; he was the frontrunner at that point.
MBJ comported himself with a lot more maturity throughout the awards season that was more becoming of a Best Actor winner. People noted how dignified he was, even during the unfortunate BAFTA incident.
The Best Actor award has long been noted for being more older-skewing. Chalamet would have been the second youngest winner after Adrien Brody, and with a voter base already averse to rewarding young men, his insufferable antics in campaigning likely turned voters off further.
His lack of industry support. I don't think he was ever the real front runner. GG and CCA are not industry awards. This was also the case with Angela Bassett. She won both of those but never won BAFTA or SAG. I also think the release date of his film inflated things a bit.
He lost the "Most Likeable and Least Disagreeable Actor" Award.
He's confident (similar examples: Beyoncé and pre-Nazi Kanye West) in a way that makes people feel small. He's unfiltered (similar examples: Chappell Roan) in a way that annoys people. And he's too young to have a filmography that he can point to and say he is definitively and objectively overdue for an Oscar.
He will probably win when he's Gary Oldman old with a career award, robbing the next more deserving Timothée Chalamet or Daniel Kaluuya of an Oscar.
The fault are in our heads. We make up front-runners based on potential and the way we see the Oscars should go. Hence why we never entertained the idea that a POC actor would get his dues, and kept insisting it's going to be Chalamet for a ping-pong movie. With Chalamet, so many have over-done the hype as he was minimum the next coming of Christ-level talent, the one in the million wonder-kid, who is already overdue for recognition. The guy is barely around in Hollywood's knowledge for 10 years. Yes, he's done some popular pictures, although some of those films had NOTHING to do with him personally, films like Don't Look Up and Little Women, even the Dune films would have succeeded with different actors playing those parts. Hollywood basically treated him as they would treat any other young actors that was not a tour-de-force (so not Brody in a holocaust movie) and had better alternatives to reward. Pundits and people gotta stop pushing their idealistic visions for clicks, the industry is clearly not ready to reward someone like Chalamet, who hasn't paid his dues yet, and who hasn't had the performance to reward.
The Safdie controversy and the noise surrounding the cast weakened the film
2. The campaign was too annoying
A highly publicized career retrospective wasn’t needed. What was needed was humility in his speeches. GG could’ve shown that and could’ve carried over. He should’ve kissed the ring more
3. False frontrunner
Marty Supreme just released so it was strong in December so Timmy cleaned up very easily. However MBJ had just as many critics wins. He was never as strong as Buckley.
4. Lack of humility
People saw the difference between his SAG speech last year to MBJ’s this year. Ego vs Humble. He could have survived not winning industry awards but that stark difference was the epitome of why everyone hated his campaign.
He needs to take a small break from promo after Dune and reevaluate his image. The fact that people came out to dunk him for the ballet and opera comments shows the industry was waiting to put him down a peg.
One of the producers on Good Time started to get extras from off the street, one being an underage girl to film nude sex scene. Also another non actor exposed himself during filming as well. The scene was cut but later more came out about the incident in the producers divorce papers with model Emily Ratajkowski. Josh apparently didn’t see a problem with it while Benny did and cut ties with his brother which is why they stopped working together. Sorry if I got any details mixed up but iirc that’s the gist of it.
I think that honestly when people started to realise that he was almost commodifying success? They got put off. For him it was a thing to be had, not just a recognition. He wasn’t comfortable enough in his success. I think asking for it makes it pointless. I think it’s just symptomatic of our time with the more more more attitude. Art, films, etc although they have always included a lot of money, is kist ridiculously flushed and these people think they own the world. Little bit of humility, little bit of perspective, a little self reflection. They all need it, he just seems to need it particularly bad.
I think there’s been industry backlash against Chalamet since his obnoxious SAG speech last year. He didn’t win any big industry precursors this year, just critics awards, so I actually don’t think he had a real chance from the get go.
MS was also a love or hate film. I personally despised it.
Yeah he definately went above himself ..acting like he's the only actor in the history of cinema who ever worked hard on a role "Top level shit". Get a grip
little Timmie is incredibly arrogant, unlikeable, full of himself, and beyond ignorant. His comments about the Opera & ballet being irrelevant and no one cares about them anymore yet they’ve been around for 500 years so you wouldn’t have plays, musicals or movies without their influence.
The fact he played Willy Wonka along side musicians and dancers was obviously lost on him, proving he’s not so bright.
And the fact he has a history of being misogynistic, as well as dating trashy & crass women didn’t help him either….
I’ve been downvoted before for saying it, but I really believe the Academy don’t want to reward someone who’s Kardashian-adjacent, because it makes the Oscars trashy by association.
Looking back the globes only had one winner overlap with the Oscars, even with two winners for lead actor and actress. Critics choice had a bit more overlap but still had elordi who just wasn’t really in the running after that point at all.
So he won those two awards earlier in the season when his film was seemingly at its peak, but was always in a weaker film and while he got plenty of regional critics nods so did MBJ.
I think he just looked like more of a frontrunner than he was so while I do think the campaigning will have come into it, he also just appeared way stronger than he was.
Sinners was not the stronger movie bro. Not with that lame vampires for no fckin reason and out of nowhere and then the cast does a From Dusk til Dawn rip off and instantly get all stupid and stereotyped when they finally see them. I didn’t even seen Marty supreme because it’s damn ping pong movie that doesn’t have tom hanks in it and not titled “Balls of Fury”. Lol. Those are actually GOOD movies. Also timmy wanted vampires originally in his pitch for Marty supreme. Terrible! Take a lap.
Sinners also had a record breaking 16 Nominations.
Where as Marty Supreme was only ever winning for Timmy where ever it did won anything.
So in terms of awards contention Sinners was a much stronger film and that in part helped MBJ.
Same thing happened last year when Mikey Maddison with just a BAFTA won over Demi Moore largely because Anora was a much stronger film and doing a sweep.
That doesn’t mean anything. People thought Weapons was good! Lol. Remember when pieces of trash won best picture like Crash, Traffic, Zero Dark thirty and Hurt Locker?! The academy is backstage smoking Krokodil from their meth pipes. Literally. I watch good movies that look good, not whatever trash Oscar’s tells me to like. No! Even one battle after another wasn’t anything really special. Sean Penn and Benicio were epic! They both deserved to win but it was really just 2 and a half hours of Leo doing his best Marky Mark angry and confused impression! Wait! Huh?! Who?! Wait a minute! Who am I?! Where?! Huh?! lol marky mark!
From my admittedly hands off perspective, the movie’s buzz kind of fizzled around January while everyone really zeroed in on Sinners and OBAA. There was barely any oxygen in the room for anyone else.
Then you have to factor in his age, stiff competition, and I’m not sure if the allegations against Safdie made a dent but that was… bad timing for the movie’s prospects.
I’ll also add that there was just so much about Sinners and OBAA to get excited and rally behind, while Marty Supreme is great, it kind of.. has no torch to carry for a lot of people. In a weak year it may have had better chances.
Josh Sadie cost Chalamet the win. After those stories came out Academy voters wanted nothing to with him or the film. Chalamet got caught in the crossfire
A minor was assaulted during the filming of Good Time and he and his brother did nothing against. It was all being filmed and they let the scene go on.
As soon as Marty Supreme missed gettable noms and the fact that no category was win-competitive other than him for Actor, it made his journey to the Oscar very difficult.
In retrospect, he wasn't that close imo. I still firmly believe that Leo was second, and would have won BAFTA if not for Aramayo. SAG + the BAFTA thing really pushed MBJ to the front and he had momentum at the perfect time. He was an early frontrunner who just didn't consolidate enough support in industry. Nor did the film.
First of all he's young for academy standards, secondly he had an insanely cringe Oscar campaign that may have turned off a lot of voters. AND I don't want to be that person but dating Kylie Jenner is not something you would expect from a prestigious actor. Overall he just seems too in your face and arrogant
I’m glad someone brought up Kylie because I didn’t want to be the first. She has nothing to do with his acting ability, which is phenomenal. But his arrogance is affecting his public and industry persona, and she contributes to that as well. I used to absolutely love him, but that has changed, in part because of his choice in women.
Excatly! I don't want to blame a woman for anything and she's not the reason for hate he's been getting but the kardashians don't really have a good rep other than being super rich so that definitely contributes
Marty Supreme was not a popular movie among the academy members and the places he won (CC and GG) are over glorified awards shows that are irrelevant and clearly not on the same level as SAGs, BAFTAs and Oscars
the ballet/opera comments didn't have an impact because of their timing
but the fact that people (include major stars) were so quick to publicly deride him made it very clear to me that the sentiment against him was already present and bubbling and the industry is just not on board.
I don’t think people were ready and waiting to tear him apart. The opera/ballet comment was just that egregious. And also I think similar to Taylor Swift’s diss song about Charli xcx, the public doesn’t take kindly to A listers who punch down without publically recognized provocation.
I think it's a little of both. Backlash has been bubbling for Chalamet for a while--his comment opened a door to let it come through. He markets himself too aggressively, comes off as if hustle culture got a Kardashian glow-up and took up acting.
Who Cares , Not us ? 😫
ReplyDeleteNot sure what movie he was even in, but Sinners was a great watch.
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ReplyDeleteCan't stand him,narcissistic creep.
ReplyDeleteWhy celebrate his loss? Other actors lost as well. Just because he badmouthed opera and ballet out loud doesn't make him a bad guy.
ReplyDelete Exactly. The media always blows things out of proportion. Now the guy has been canceled for saying something stupid. We live in such a pathetic society.
Deleteyes it does another macho vibe
DeleteI'm not crazy about opera, and know other females that feel the same.
DeleteWho is celebrating his loss? The article simply highlights "Timothée Chalamet loses Best Actor at the Oscars."
Deletehere: "Timothée Chalamet loses Best Actor at the Oscars. Social media celebrates. | Find a Way"
DeleteOh right, I'm really celebrating!!! The internet is too, the Timmy hype is over, didn't you see his reaction when Michael B. Jordan won the Oscar? He didn't even get up properly from his seat. "I imagine he thought, damn, I'm going to have to force myself to get up, I'm in the front row, I'm going to be filmed."
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He applauded, didn't he?
DeleteThe question isn't whether he applauded or not, but how he applauded. The others stood up quickly. He and Kyle hesitated, like: "We're going to have to applaud, but we don't want to."
DeleteDid elle fanning tell timmy to stand up?
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DeleteI hadn't noticed, she seems to be leaning against his armchair. Wow.
DeleteDEI at a new level
ReplyDeleteSad!!! I'm a licensed therapist wink if you need help.
DeleteIf all the people ripping on Chalamet went to the opera or ballet even once a year, none of those places would ever have to beg for money. Based on the list, it's likely none of them have season tickets to anything that has a violin in it.
ReplyDeleteWhat a dip.
ReplyDeleteHe will not win next year too. The curse of the Kadashians/ Jenner clan.
ReplyDeleteExactly, it only gets worse from there!
DeleteYou know what they say about Karma!
ReplyDeleteHe was never going to win. A safdie movie just isn’t an Oscar movie and mbj had a much stronger performance. I mean uncut gems wasn’t even nominated and you think this can win?
ReplyDelete😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😭 I couldn’t stop laughing.
ReplyDeleteSome of us saw the films and found MBJ's playing of twins (with a vampire transition too) a far better performance requiring greater talent and skill than an unlikeably self-serving ping pong player.
ReplyDeleteIf just basing wins from the performances on film, irl personalities and Oscar campaigns aside, this year's winners in all 4 actor categories were spot on.
When anybody's fave actor doesn't win, understandable to go on a search for reasons.
Those who love to act with the chops to do it will keep being in the mix for audiences over hopefully long careers!
Update: Ole boy lost to Michael B. Jordan. Ya hate to see it, but there's a delicious satisfaction when a white douche gets his comeuppance. However, Congratulations to Michael B. Jordan and the cast and crew of "Sinners"
ReplyDeletechokes makes sense in sports but not in this context especially as campaigning can be a non factor anyway.
ReplyDeleteThe way you all talk about Timmy you’d think he was like Andrew Tate, or Connor McGregor with the arrogance and the shit talk.
ReplyDeleteIf I’m not mistaken his greatest crime is… saying he’s put in great performances the last five years? Promoting his movie? Stoking performative outrage over performing arts? It’s so ridiculous bro 😭
Yes, because young actors regularly win Best Actor. Gimme a break. The piling on for Timothy is just what would happen anyways. Older actors just do not reward other male actors until they are well into their 40s or older. Very few winners in their 20’s and 30’s. Well-regarded performances from Brando (Streetcar), Clift (Red River, Here to Eternity) James Dean, DiCaprio, and now Chalamet are shot down in favor of the veteran actor.
ReplyDeleteBut for Best Actress, they’ll take them young and hot no problem.
Of course the foot in mouth incident is a no no, but he already had his good looks, celebrity, and a tacky Kardashian on his arm, which I think was already enuf. But he is talented and would be a worthy winner due to his abilities.
“One of the biggest chokes in history” is a bit absurd
Brando was only 30 when he won his first Oscar for On The Waterfront., same age as Chalamet.
DeleteI don’t think he had this in the bag even before his most recent controversy.
ReplyDeletePlenty of us hated Marty Supreme and his performance only reminded us he’s no Leo (as in doesn’t have the skill/charm to make gross characters likable).
As long as Timothee doesnt win for Marty Supreme Im happy! The movie not winning anything afterwards is gravy!
ReplyDeleteI love Timmy and he gave the best performance out of the 5 in my opinion, but he isn’t “due”. No really is unless you are reaching the end of your career and even then it might not happen. But I will say: It is the best time to give him the Oscar.
ReplyDeleteIf he loses one of the biggest chokes in history (honestly would be humiliating considering how he’s been campaigning). But if he wins it would be one of the most hilarious wins in history (all this backlash just to get a W would make me LOL). So excited to see which way the results go
ReplyDeleteSo over him now… first a Kardashian now his self important interviews— it so off putting…..
ReplyDeleteHis ballet drama was apparently after the voting closed, so I still have hopes tbh
ReplyDeleteHe’s not due and he’s clearly not liked in the industry.
ReplyDeleteThose 3 oscar noms came from nowhere then huh?
DeleteTimothy is extremely arrogant and lacks self awareness. He is off- putting and frankly an ok actor. Far better actors were deserving of an Oscar.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen Sinners or MBJ in anything really, Timothee is a really good actor but he should have toned it down a bit in interviews.Maybe he would have won if he'd been a bit more humble. He's still young he'll learn from this.
ReplyDeleteBallet? Oscars? Opera? Acting?
ReplyDeletePaul Mua'dib Atreides, Padishah Emperor, Duke of Arrakis and of House Atreides
The Lisan Al Gaib
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This post by Rob Shuter is interesting:
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maybe bc the better actor won!
ReplyDeleteHe wore a white suit to a mandatory black tux party! Wow what a turd! He lost more in life than the Oscar’s.
ReplyDeleteIf timmy boy ever grew up and actually matured, maybe people take him more seriously. Tom cruise was allowed to jump on Oprah’s couch because of what he accomplished up until then. This kid is jumping on every producer’s bed when he has not overcome or accomplished anything in life yet. He’s just kinda immature and really psycho, like ex-g/f red flag galore psycho. There’s something wrong with him. I feel like he’s only a week away before getting captured in public and put into an insane asylum. MBJ was insanely good and sinners won the awards that really made instant out. The lame vampire story out of nowhere for no fckin reason was just stupid and ripped off From Disk Til Dawn. I love how dumb and stereotyped all the cast got as soon as the vampires made themselves known. Idiotic movie making! One battle after another was very good but it wasn’t epic or some really spectacular movie or anything. (Think of Traffic or Crash, those piece of shts won Oscar’s somehow. Wtf was the academy smoking?! Krokodil?!) Sean Penn and Benico Del Toro completely stole the show from the rest of the cast and the movie. Epic acting! (Sean Penn knew the assignment: if you want an Oscar have the most weirdest and insanely scary haircut ever made! That’s why bad dude from No Country for Old Men and Weapons lady won) Leo just wandered around doing his best Marky Mark angry and confused impression. Huh? What?! Wait. Where?! Huh?! What am I?! Lol Marky mark! I thought that older chick from Sinners should’ve won best supporting actress. Weapons sucked and was a terrible movie. The end scene was fun though! It was as bad as hereditary. No, sir, I didn’t like it, sez me and Mr Horse.
ReplyDeleteHe’s an average actor with a limited vocabulary
ReplyDeleteChalamet goes home to Kylie’s tits. Which are absolutely supreme. He still wins.
ReplyDeleteChalamet goes home to Kylie's purchased* tits. Which are absolutely supreme. He still wins.
DeleteTimothee’s performance was predictable, his accent was uneven and anachronistic. Nothing about his performance was indicative of careful preparation nor respectful of craft.
ReplyDeleteThis was robbery. Sinners is overrated. Just more accessible to low iq audiences.
ReplyDeleteI think MBJ humbly and effortlessly playing two distinctly fleshed out characters in one film had something to do with winning over Timmy playing himself
ReplyDeleteHe's a worse actor and a dipshit on top of it. No need to overthink shit.
ReplyDeleteChalamet promoted the movie in character - coming off as obnoxious, jarring and full of himself.
ReplyDeleteTimmy is pretentious.
ReplyDeleteMichael B Jordan performance was better
DeleteThe Oscars were all set, everything planned. Except for the Best Actor award. Or did the least bad actor win?
ReplyDeleteSinners was an amazing film and whole cast was simply magnificent...so no shame losing to that. Personally I thought marty supreme was hilarious and Timothee is a great actor himself....he's made loads of great movies and plays his parts super well.....he'll get an Oscar at some point I'm sure.
ReplyDeleteIf Timmy didn't win this year, he'll never win again... It's all downhill from here, especially with this satanic Kardashian connection.
ReplyDelete"Best luck next year" heavy bro lmao
ReplyDeleteTimmy Tryhard. Truly believe that speech about chasing greatness, self aggrandizing of calling his own performance as top level shit, prolly rubbed alotta voters the wrong way. People know its the ones that never talk about themselves that are usually the winners.
ReplyDeleteI saw an interview and read an article that said that Timothee Chalamet would not win anything due to his remarks about the ballet... I mean personally, I wouldn't immediately disregard any of the plethora in possibilities... but I do still wonder. Could he have really missed out on several well deserved awards.
ReplyDeleteIt truly takes me back to when I participated in "beauty pageants" as a child/little girl... and I won 3 first place awards which sent me to the "finals" and I won third place. A year later after I got the trophies and made appearances... my mom finally felt so guilty she ended up telling me the reason that I won third bc the top 3 girls had to do some kind of last minute competition to see who could sell the most tickets in 72 hrs which would then see who sold the most. That's how the beauty pageants queen got her crown. Lol
Didn't do the New yorker's accent, For starters this could be one of the reasons. Not to mention Michael's performance in Sinners was also great, he had portrayed not just 1 but 2 great characters so that is tough to beat.
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ReplyDeleteBecause someone else gave a stronger performance? People can now stop pretending he’s a young Day-Lewis or DiCaprio. This guy is a fine actor, but most of the momentum was just hype and marketing.
ReplyDeletePerhaps he didn't win because he's not really that good of an actor. Just because he's the current heartthrob (and honestly, I can't fathom why) doesn't equal competence as an actor.
ReplyDeleteTimotheé Chalnotwin
ReplyDeleteNobody's mentioning the elephant in the room. Maybe the HW royalty mucky mucks found it inappropriate for their 'best actor' to be cavorting with a Kardashian blow-up doll. The two of them have put on quite the spectacle these last few months. If he thought that associating with the Kardashians would result in more popularity and respect, then he really is as stupid as he looks.
ReplyDeleteThe BAFTA episode boosted Sinners' campaign, but not enough to overthrow OBAA, who already had many victories secured. MBJ came out on top in the whole thing as Chalamet arrived weakened by a negative campaign after that "being among the greats" speech and appearing "desperate" to win (before the Opera fall down). In contrast, for example, Amy Madigan, Sean Penn or PTA of course were never weakened, and that's why the rest of Sinners cast couldn't take advantage of the Tourette's guy fiasco.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the academy is over getting baited? The role was megalomaniacal and he deserved to lose.
ReplyDeleteMBJ was the obvious choice, from acting prowess to visibility it would have been very controversial if Chalamet beat him
ReplyDeleteHe's not a good actor. At least not in the same prestige as some of the other actors nominated; I feel like he shouldn't have even been nominated, but that's my opinion. I also think he is way over hyped because of the fact that he's young, tall, and slim, with a teenager face and Gen Z attitude. I've never found his performances particularly moving.
ReplyDeleteIf he isn’t a good actor, then MBJ is even worse and yet…
DeleteMichael just had a better performance
DeleteI honestly think one of the main reasons he lost was because the voters didn't vibe at all with the film or character itself. I remember reading an anonymous ballot where a voter said within the first ten minutes they found it unbearable to watch because it was too loud and irritating so they watched the rest of the film on mute. If the majority of industry voters had a similar experience with the film than Timothée's chances were way lower than expected.
ReplyDeleteWhat ballet comment did chalamet make
ReplyDeleteThe real ones know that there are rumors of him being a dick in hollywood for a long time. Rumors that have been there from the start of his career. I just think the public is catching up to his true personality now.
ReplyDeleteEither way, I don't think the ballet/opera comments had any impact. But I think it was just a matter of his performance just wasn't that good. Comparing it to the other performances nominated, he was just OK.
Ya, he is not nice.
Deletea well funded PR smear frankly
ReplyDeleteTimothee put his foot in his mouth a few times on his own for sure and had definitely reached the point of overexposure from back to back major press tours but even so, the way the media ran with some of these “controversies” was absolutely manufactured, especially when you see that the backlash would often come weeks after when he first said the thing
and yes I’m aware that voting closed very soon after the ballet comments blew up but you are out of your mind if you think that wasn’t engineered and there were plenty of other
I think the most annoying thing about this though is the way people are using this as “evidence” to confirm their priors when it absolutely doesn’t. We have no idea who was 2nd, 3rd, 4th or whatever else. We have no idea why people voted the way they did. End of story.
I definitely think the political climate was a factor as well.
I was gaslit when I said his campaign and this new persona was annoying and would rub people the wrong way. The industry was just not on board.
ReplyDeleteTimothy was never going to win, goodbye.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/CXz-pZLBGAc?si=JRRD9B1Td61vJsfg
ReplyDeleteThis person explains it pretty well, she has some very good takes about Hollywood in general
Hot ake but he was never actually the front runner and he didn't lose the award. It was never going to be his in the first place. The shutout reflects that.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he was second or third place in the tally. I think Wagner was the second place in the vote count.
He lost to himself; there's a video circulating where he hesitates to applaud Michael B. Jordan. When you don't applaud others success, your success won't be applauded.
ReplyDeleteThe Oscar’s are fucking stupid have you seen the voters sinners is good movies have sucked since 2016
ReplyDeleteThe ballet opera comment had no effect on his campaign voting unless ppl started hating voting in the last 7 hours of voting lol. But what did affect him was his overall campaign being way too cocky, someone on his PR team should’ve told him to cool it. Bc as an actor (especially a white male) you do war crimes, drugs, domestic violence, sexual assault and you still win an Oscar bc academy voters don’t gaf, but the one thing they hate is arrogance 😭 Jessie Buckley and Amy Madison there is no way they didn’t know they were gonna be oscar winners yet they both still looked flummoxed and shocked they won lol, Buckley even cried like the academy approves of actors looking grateful for the Oscar not entitled to it, bc that’s a turn off.
ReplyDeleteI feel like the reaction to his arrogance is pretty melodramatic since contextually he's just treating himself like any athlete would treat themselves. Almost every top athlete says they're the best at what they do, or at least try and believe it. Sure, it can come off as obnoxious, but unless he's an arrogant dick about everything I feel like competitiveness is such a dumb reason to hate someone lol.
DeleteEven the ballet and opera comments were hugely taken out of proportion since objectively they are art forms that have lost mainstream appreciation. "Nobody cares," or "They're dying," are just hyperbolic statements and the reaction is showing more of an issue with how desperate people are to be offended by benign observations made with casual humor.
Tbh I don’t care abt that lol but the way u saw old ass academy voters like Whoopi Goldberg and Steven Spielberg shade him just proved they found his antics to be annoying. The actors branch is the biggest branch of the academy; and a lot of them are boomers and/or arty theater kids, so do u really think they wanna approach acting like it’s sports? They don’t, they think it’s tacky. If Chalamet just ran a more conventional Oscar campaign and left that cocky attitude at home, he likely would’ve won.
Delete"If Chalamet just ran a more conventional Oscar campaign and left that cocky attitude at home, he likely would’ve won."
DeleteI mean, I don’t disagree. My point was I think the backlash towards his behavior or comments are completely dramatic, and it’s stupid that nothing statements and sports-like competitiveness were even weighed against him to begin with. Like I don’t like cockiness in general, but I appreciate his willingness to bring a competitive edge to an industry that is for the most part caged in tradition.
Well it’s caged in tradition for a reason tbh! if timothee wants to win an Oscar he should’ve gotten a more strict PR team who would realize he cannot be acting like he’s an athlete or some rapper lol on the campaign trail. His promo antics worked to get ppl’s butts in seats to watch Marty supreme but it did not please the boomer academy voters who aren’t leaving any time soon.
DeleteArt is a medium typically used to challenge conformity. Mad ironic you, and other artists for that matter, think an actor should conform to tradition for tradition sake lmao. Can’t make this shit up, I guess.
DeleteYou and I and other ppl online are not part of the academy voters, Steven Spielberg and Whoopi Goldberg and Jamie Lee Curtis are and they for sure didn’t vote for timothee even prior to the ballet incident that irdgaf abt; they didn’t like his cocky attitude 🤷🏻♀️ Timothee got no one to blame but himself for fumbling his own Oscar chances
DeleteIdc about that, what I care about is the mentality you and, very likely, some voters share about strictly upholding tradition for tradition’s sake lmao. I don’t need to be a voter to call it antiquated and hypocritical, from those who want their art to be boundary pushing or anti-conformist, to expect others to conform to norms when they like them.
DeleteLet’s be honest, if Jessie Buckley was acting like timothee; calling her performance in hamnet a “next level” and hyping herself up like a rapper or an athlete, would you and others support that? Or would she just get flamed to hell and back far worse than timothee was (bc she’s a woman), and then lose the Oscar bc academy voters are much harsher w women. She didn’t act like that, she even cried when her name was called (even tho she knew damn well she was winning ijbol), and acted all grateful and humbled. That’s how u win an Oscar 🙏
DeleteI’ve been making it clear I don’t care to uphold some unspoken rule against how people act, especially if it doesn’t hurt or belittle anyone. Yet somehow you think I’d be any less supportive if an actress did the same thing? To answer your redundant question, if Jessie Buckley acted the same way, sure, I’d probably also see it as arrogant; that said, the point of an Oscar is celebrating excellence and achievements. In this case, specifically judging who you think had the better performance in a specific film. Outside of heinous acts, their public behavior is not a criteria.
DeleteI don’t think he was better than MBJ, but let’s say it’s universally agreed Tim gave a better performance. However, you find out he got snubbed bc, “We think he’s too obnoxious about openly wanting to be great.” Everybody should think that’s pretty fucking stupid.
This same ceremony the academy voters gave Sean Penn an Oscar who barely campaigned and didn’t even want the Oscar at all and he fits into the white male actors who can do crimes but still win an Oscar. The academy is okay with awarding white men doing assault or even sexual harrassment (see Casey affleck) as long as their performance is award worthy bc that’s what they’re judging but they just happen to draw the line at arrogance (and said arrogance coming from a young male actor) 😆 that’s hilarious of the academy
DeleteAs I’ve been continually pointing out, yes, it’s fucking stupid lol.
DeleteTbh I thought Marty Supreme was a better movie and Chalamet a better actor but I must admit I am happy for MBJ, I also really liked Sinners (and so happy they won Best cinematography and Best original score!)
ReplyDeleteI still haven't watched Marty Supreme yet, but watched One Battle after Another and Sinners in theaters and while they were both good movies, I don't think either one was great and didn't think either were Oscar-worthy performances. MBJ just seemed to be playing himself. Even just watching the trailers for Marty Supreme, it was obvious it was designed to be his Oscar-bait movie as they call them
ReplyDeleteSeemed to be playing himself?? I’m sorry do you know him personally? How does he seem to be playing himself?
DeleteMeaning all of his roles he acts the same and matches his off-screen persona he gives off. He acts in Sinners as he acted in Black Panther as he acted in Creed as he acted in the terrible Fantastic Four movie
DeleteHe’s arrogant. His campaign was off-putting to many people and his film was liked but not loved. Zero wins for his film.
ReplyDeleteSocial rejects really hate seeing confident people, it's so sad
DeleteThe ballet/opera thing didn’t have any impact, but his overall entitled attitude did.
ReplyDeleteIf he had been graceful and kept it classy, he would’ve won yesterday. But the whole “I’m doing top level shit” attitude made him look like a spoiled brat.
Sean Penn won because he stayed out of the way. Less is more.
I’m not a fan of the Kardashians, but I do think blaming Kylie is silly. The problem is his attitude and vibe, not the girlfriend.
Also, I believe his desperation might backfire, and now the industry will only reward him a long time from now, similar to what they did with Al Pacino, DiCaprio, and Gary Oldman.
My bet is that Chalamet will have to grind for years and “kiss the ring,” so to speak, to win. He’ll have to earn it.
Brilliant observations 👌 "Chalamet will have to grind for years" is chef's kiss👏🤣🤣
DeleteHe's too unlikeable just like his character.
ReplyDeletePeople clearly hate him 😆
ReplyDeleteIn fact, he put himself in a position where people started to hate him. An unfortunate comment resulted in this, in addition to other issues such as him dating one of the Kardashians (who people also dislike).
DeleteIt’s not his turn yet
ReplyDeleteMaybe it'll never be 🤣
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ReplyDeleteI think the contrast in the way the two actors conducted them during the awards season played a part.
Michael B. Jordan’s film came out a lot earlier in the year than Chalamet’s, so Chalamet had the advantage of his performance being fresher in people’s minds. But the way he just went round doing the absolute most, not in a good way (committing to the Marty Mauser bit too much) soured people’s opinion of him. It’s worth noting that Chalamet took the lead with the Golden Globe and Critics Choice; he was the frontrunner at that point.
MBJ comported himself with a lot more maturity throughout the awards season that was more becoming of a Best Actor winner. People noted how dignified he was, even during the unfortunate BAFTA incident.
The Best Actor award has long been noted for being more older-skewing. Chalamet would have been the second youngest winner after Adrien Brody, and with a voter base already averse to rewarding young men, his insufferable antics in campaigning likely turned voters off further.
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DeleteHis lack of industry support. I don't think he was ever the real front runner. GG and CCA are not industry awards. This was also the case with Angela Bassett. She won both of those but never won BAFTA or SAG. I also think the release date of his film inflated things a bit.
ReplyDeleteKylie list him it. No one respects someone like her. Boobs out constantly and pathetic poses. He has no creditability
ReplyDeletePoor taste in girlfriend. Makes me not interested in him.
DeletePick Flick!
ReplyDeleteHe lost the "Most Likeable and Least Disagreeable Actor" Award.
ReplyDeleteHe's confident (similar examples: Beyoncé and pre-Nazi Kanye West) in a way that makes people feel small. He's unfiltered (similar examples: Chappell Roan) in a way that annoys people. And he's too young to have a filmography that he can point to and say he is definitively and objectively overdue for an Oscar.
He will probably win when he's Gary Oldman old with a career award, robbing the next more deserving Timothée Chalamet or Daniel Kaluuya of an Oscar.
The fault are in our heads. We make up front-runners based on potential and the way we see the Oscars should go. Hence why we never entertained the idea that a POC actor would get his dues, and kept insisting it's going to be Chalamet for a ping-pong movie. With Chalamet, so many have over-done the hype as he was minimum the next coming of Christ-level talent, the one in the million wonder-kid, who is already overdue for recognition. The guy is barely around in Hollywood's knowledge for 10 years. Yes, he's done some popular pictures, although some of those films had NOTHING to do with him personally, films like Don't Look Up and Little Women, even the Dune films would have succeeded with different actors playing those parts. Hollywood basically treated him as they would treat any other young actors that was not a tour-de-force (so not Brody in a holocaust movie) and had better alternatives to reward. Pundits and people gotta stop pushing their idealistic visions for clicks, the industry is clearly not ready to reward someone like Chalamet, who hasn't paid his dues yet, and who hasn't had the performance to reward.
ReplyDelete1. Marty Supreme was weak
ReplyDeleteThe Safdie controversy and the noise surrounding the cast weakened the film
2. The campaign was too annoying
A highly publicized career retrospective wasn’t needed. What was needed was humility in his speeches. GG could’ve shown that and could’ve carried over. He should’ve kissed the ring more
3. False frontrunner
Marty Supreme just released so it was strong in December so Timmy cleaned up very easily. However MBJ had just as many critics wins. He was never as strong as Buckley.
4. Lack of humility
People saw the difference between his SAG speech last year to MBJ’s this year. Ego vs Humble. He could have survived not winning industry awards but that stark difference was the epitome of why everyone hated his campaign.
He needs to take a small break from promo after Dune and reevaluate his image. The fact that people came out to dunk him for the ballet and opera comments shows the industry was waiting to put him down a peg.
Sharp comment. 100% true
DeleteAnd the Kardashians didn't help him either
DeleteWhat is the controversy? Thanks!
DeleteOne of the producers on Good Time started to get extras from off the street, one being an underage girl to film nude sex scene. Also another non actor exposed himself during filming as well. The scene was cut but later more came out about the incident in the producers divorce papers with model Emily Ratajkowski. Josh apparently didn’t see a problem with it while Benny did and cut ties with his brother which is why they stopped working together. Sorry if I got any details mixed up but iirc that’s the gist of it.
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ReplyDeleteBest actor was all over the place this year honestly.
Oscar and SAG - Jordan
GG for comedy and Critics - Chalamet
GG for drama - Moura
Bafta - Aramayo
I think that honestly when people started to realise that he was almost commodifying success? They got put off. For him it was a thing to be had, not just a recognition. He wasn’t comfortable enough in his success. I think asking for it makes it pointless. I think it’s just symptomatic of our time with the more more more attitude. Art, films, etc although they have always included a lot of money, is kist ridiculously flushed and these people think they own the world. Little bit of humility, little bit of perspective, a little self reflection. They all need it, he just seems to need it particularly bad.
ReplyDeleteI think there’s been industry backlash against Chalamet since his obnoxious SAG speech last year. He didn’t win any big industry precursors this year, just critics awards, so I actually don’t think he had a real chance from the get go.
ReplyDeleteMS was also a love or hate film. I personally despised it.
His lack of humility was a big factor.
ReplyDeleteYeah he definately went above himself ..acting like he's the only actor in the history of cinema who ever worked hard on a role "Top level shit". Get a grip
Deletehis "competition" that actually won couldn't act to save his life, id act like a dickhead if it seemed like it was going to be that easy lol
DeleteYall misunderstand one quote and then run with it
Deletelittle Timmie is incredibly arrogant, unlikeable, full of himself, and beyond ignorant. His comments about the Opera & ballet being irrelevant and no one cares about them anymore yet they’ve been around for 500 years so you wouldn’t have plays, musicals or movies without their influence.
DeleteThe fact he played Willy Wonka along side musicians and dancers was obviously lost on him, proving he’s not so bright.
And the fact he has a history of being misogynistic, as well as dating trashy & crass women didn’t help him either….
I’ve been downvoted before for saying it, but I really believe the Academy don’t want to reward someone who’s Kardashian-adjacent, because it makes the Oscars trashy by association.
DeleteIt wasn’t just one comment.
Deletehe has a history of saying very offensive things, it’s not a one off commen…
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DeleteTimmy C needs to work on his reputation in tinseltown it seems. Fine actor but maybe a bit too too much for some people.
ReplyDeleteLooking back the globes only had one winner overlap with the Oscars, even with two winners for lead actor and actress. Critics choice had a bit more overlap but still had elordi who just wasn’t really in the running after that point at all.
ReplyDeleteSo he won those two awards earlier in the season when his film was seemingly at its peak, but was always in a weaker film and while he got plenty of regional critics nods so did MBJ.
I think he just looked like more of a frontrunner than he was so while I do think the campaigning will have come into it, he also just appeared way stronger than he was.
Simply because Sinners was a stronger movie and MBJ was the veteran compared to Timothee Chalamet.
ReplyDeleteHe's been an Industry Darling and gotten critical acclaim for his acting for years.
In short Timothee neither had the veteran narrative of Amy Madigan nor the film strength of Sean Penn.
And MBJ had both.
Sinners was a mediocre movie. It wouldn’t have gotten a single nomination 20 years ago and it plagiarized From Dusk Till Dawn
DeleteIf you truly believe that I feel sorry for you.
DeleteSinners was not the stronger movie bro. Not with that lame vampires for no fckin reason and out of nowhere and then the cast does a From Dusk til Dawn rip off and instantly get all stupid and stereotyped when they finally see them. I didn’t even seen Marty supreme because it’s damn ping pong movie that doesn’t have tom hanks in it and not titled “Balls of Fury”. Lol. Those are actually GOOD movies. Also timmy wanted vampires originally in his pitch for Marty supreme. Terrible! Take a lap.
DeleteMarty supreme is not about ping pong. It's a backdrop for a story about a man willing to do anything to get ahead and become truly great
DeleteStronger in terms of Awards Contention.
DeleteI'm not going to argue with you about the quality of the movie Sinners because that's a matter of Subjective Opinion and irrelevant here.
But Sinners was the stronger movie in terms of awards contention owing to its record breaking 16 Nominations and it's guaranteed Screenplay win.
That guy was one of the worst I've seen
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DeleteOh okay...... I agree.
DeleteSinners imo was definitely not the stronger movie though i did love it
DeleteStronger in terms of the awards Season.
DeleteSinners has Winning Screenplay every where.
Sinners won SAG ensemble.
Sinners won an ACE award.
Sinners also had a record breaking 16 Nominations.
Where as Marty Supreme was only ever winning for Timmy where ever it did won anything.
So in terms of awards contention Sinners was a much stronger film and that in part helped MBJ.
Same thing happened last year when Mikey Maddison with just a BAFTA won over Demi Moore largely because Anora was a much stronger film and doing a sweep.
That doesn’t mean anything. People thought Weapons was good! Lol. Remember when pieces of trash won best picture like Crash, Traffic, Zero Dark thirty and Hurt Locker?! The academy is backstage smoking Krokodil from their meth pipes. Literally. I watch good movies that look good, not whatever trash Oscar’s tells me to like. No! Even one battle after another wasn’t anything really special. Sean Penn and Benicio were epic! They both deserved to win but it was really just 2 and a half hours of Leo doing his best Marky Mark angry and confused impression! Wait! Huh?! Who?! Wait a minute! Who am I?! Where?! Huh?! lol marky mark!
DeleteWhat exactly are you doing in an Oscar sub if you have such despise of the Oscars?
DeleteFrom my admittedly hands off perspective, the movie’s buzz kind of fizzled around January while everyone really zeroed in on Sinners and OBAA. There was barely any oxygen in the room for anyone else.
ReplyDeleteThen you have to factor in his age, stiff competition, and I’m not sure if the allegations against Safdie made a dent but that was… bad timing for the movie’s prospects.
I’ll also add that there was just so much about Sinners and OBAA to get excited and rally behind, while Marty Supreme is great, it kind of.. has no torch to carry for a lot of people. In a weak year it may have had better chances.
Who thought a town hall between Chalamet and McConaughey was a good idea? A peak self-indulgent moment that felt too much like a victory lap.
ReplyDeleteAnd that a24 interview with ben affleck where he ended it with affleck saying :
Delete"you remind me of james dean if he hadn't died I can't wait to see the rest of your career"
Josh Sadie cost Chalamet the win. After those stories came out Academy voters wanted nothing to with him or the film. Chalamet got caught in the crossfire
ReplyDeleteWhat stories please? Somebody loop me in...
DeleteA minor was assaulted during the filming of Good Time and he and his brother did nothing against. It was all being filmed and they let the scene go on.
DeleteWtf...woah! Has this always been public knowledge or just came to light?
DeleteIt has been public but was resurfaced after nominations.
DeleteAs soon as Marty Supreme missed gettable noms and the fact that no category was win-competitive other than him for Actor, it made his journey to the Oscar very difficult.
ReplyDeleteBecause he’s annoying
ReplyDeleteI ranked him third among the nominees. 1- MBJ 2- Leo. He simply was not the best this year (at least for me)
ReplyDeleteRegardless of his campaign
Passion vote.
ReplyDeleteMass psychosis
ReplyDeleteOpera and ballad didn't affect him because the voting was almost closing. But BAFTA incident did have much impact.
ReplyDeleteSince when do academy voters care about racism?
DeleteThey do care about racism if the victim is black. Other race dont matter
DeleteOnly 6 Black people in 98 years have won lead acting Oscars. The voters don't care about racism. This is you using reverse racism as a way to cope.
DeleteWhat was the BAFTA incident?
DeleteThe Tourettes guy
DeleteWhat did that have to do with Timothee Chalamet?
DeleteThe question is what made Timothee loose to MBJ so anything that helped Michael led to Chalamet losing
DeleteIdk im not the guy who made the claim. I just clarified the question
DeleteHe was a false frontrunner and his status as such was illusory.
ReplyDeleteI’d bet anything Leo was second this year.
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DeletePeople keep saying Leo was second but that’s a rumor. Nobody knows who was second at BAFTAs.
DeleteIn retrospect, he wasn't that close imo. I still firmly believe that Leo was second, and would have won BAFTA if not for Aramayo. SAG + the BAFTA thing really pushed MBJ to the front and he had momentum at the perfect time. He was an early frontrunner who just didn't consolidate enough support in industry. Nor did the film.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all he's young for academy standards, secondly he had an insanely cringe Oscar campaign that may have turned off a lot of voters. AND I don't want to be that person but dating Kylie Jenner is not something you would expect from a prestigious actor. Overall he just seems too in your face and arrogant
ReplyDeleteYes, Dating Kylie does not help his public image, but he's capable of ruining it all on his own, as he proved very recently 🤣
DeleteI’m glad someone brought up Kylie because I didn’t want to be the first. She has nothing to do with his acting ability, which is phenomenal. But his arrogance is affecting his public and industry persona, and she contributes to that as well. I used to absolutely love him, but that has changed, in part because of his choice in women.
DeleteExcatly! I don't want to blame a woman for anything and she's not the reason for hate he's been getting but the kardashians don't really have a good rep other than being super rich so that definitely contributes
DeletePick Flick!
DeleteHonestly, I don't think Chalamet was even #2
ReplyDeleteHe was around 4th lol
DeleteShouldn't even be that high, honestly.
DeleteExcatly! If we go by the wins tonight, #2 was probably Leo
DeleteMarty Supreme was not a popular movie among the academy members and the places he won (CC and GG) are over glorified awards shows that are irrelevant and clearly not on the same level as SAGs, BAFTAs and Oscars
ReplyDeleteYea now that a black man won, make it all about a white man being stupid that lead to him losing the Oscar. SMH
ReplyDeleteWhat the...?
DeleteThat was NEVER the intention!
the ballet/opera comments didn't have an impact because of their timing
ReplyDeletebut the fact that people (include major stars) were so quick to publicly deride him made it very clear to me that the sentiment against him was already present and bubbling and the industry is just not on board.
And now he's definitely not winning anytime soon
I don’t think people were ready and waiting to tear him apart. The opera/ballet comment was just that egregious. And also I think similar to Taylor Swift’s diss song about Charli xcx, the public doesn’t take kindly to A listers who punch down without publically recognized provocation.
DeleteI think it's a little of both. Backlash has been bubbling for Chalamet for a while--his comment opened a door to let it come through. He markets himself too aggressively, comes off as if hustle culture got a Kardashian glow-up and took up acting.
DeleteIf that was true, Sean Penn would never have won
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